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Post by galthatfishes on Jun 19, 2012 6:46:46 GMT -4
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Post by strech1233 on Jun 19, 2012 12:53:38 GMT -4
personally i would like to see sunday hunting i would like to see it exclude deer at least at frist. i think that having sunday would really help to get more youth hunters into the fields.
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Post by Bearslayer on Jun 19, 2012 13:45:46 GMT -4
(This is simply to give the PGC regulatory authority. It is NOT to kill all of the deer.)
I think this is one of the key points! Let them choose what we can hunt!
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Post by Twowithone on Jun 19, 2012 14:12:44 GMT -4
I hope it loses in court myself. You can hunt on Sundays in Pa. now but like its been said before just not what you want to hunt.In my eyes no ones constitutional rights have been violated and I hope the judge sees this as well.Driving in the state of Pa. is a privilege also not a right who got violated here?
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Post by Bearslayer on Jun 19, 2012 15:39:55 GMT -4
I see your point twowithone as everyone elses and it is all opinions. I myself would love to go out on sundays and hunt waterfowl. Hunting crows and coyotes just dont turn me on and I cant eat them! LOL JMO
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Post by strech1233 on Jun 19, 2012 16:07:24 GMT -4
bear i agree. i like to hunt coyotes but for a youngster its not the best animal to hunt. alot of time and very little reward. it would be nice to take my boys squirell hunting on sundays
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Post by spike420 on Jun 19, 2012 19:53:25 GMT -4
thats the one thing i love about being here in texas. i can hunt sundays. with that extra day i dont feel rushed at work constantly checking my watch so i can get off and jump right into hunting because i know i have 2 days on the weekend to hunt. now on the other hand hunting down here is a ton more different than in pa. alot less deer and its all desert where i live so you cant sit and wait you have track and stalk.
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Post by dutch on Jun 19, 2012 20:35:29 GMT -4
I hope it loses in court myself. You can hunt on Sundays in Pa. now but like its been said before just not what you want to hunt.In my eyes no ones constitutional rights have been violated and I hope the judge sees this as well.Driving in the state of Pa. is a privilege also not a right who got violated here? Actually, you might be very wrong about that. PA's original Constitution gave us the right to hunt, and all other Constitutions after that did not remove that right. A 1911 court case, against an imigrant, said the hunting was a priveldge. Now, recently, the US Supreme Court has ruled that there MAY be a right to hunt within the Second Amendment. This, plus the obvous church and state issue, have changed the game. The state will have to defend it's law. Why is hunting closed on Sunday? If it's NOT religious in nature, then, they should have closed it on Wednesday or some other day. Why Sunday? Only answer is religion.
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Post by dutch on Jun 19, 2012 20:37:18 GMT -4
personally i would like to see sunday hunting i would like to see it exclude deer at least at frist. i think that having sunday would really help to get more youth hunters into the fields. The PGC has said it would start out slowly, most likely small game and deer would be implemented slowly in the future.
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Post by galthatfishes on Jun 19, 2012 20:54:17 GMT -4
Two, I know why you think hunting is simply a privledge. Most do- including our legislature.
You see; rights can not just be taken away. People have to vote to have them removed.
Our VERY FIRST constitution made hunting a RIGHT in Pennsylvania. A PA Supreme Court judge in 1911 ruled that hunting was a privledge against an immigrant. We don't know if he had access to the 1776 Consitution. He likely did not.
Penns Charter said "XXII. And that the inhabitants of this province and territories thereof may be accommodated with such food and sustenance, as God, in His providence, hath freely afforded, I do also further grant to the inhabitants of this province and territories thereof, liberty to fowl arid hunt upon the lands they hold, and all other lands therein not inclosed; and to fish, in all waters in the said lands, and in all rivers and rivulets in, and belonging to, this province and territories thereof, with liberty to draw his or their fish on shore on any man's lands, so as it be not to the detriment, or annoyance of the owner thereof, except such lands as do lie upon inland rivulets that are not bootable, or which are, or may be hereafter erected into manors. "
Our first Constitution said " SECT. 43. The inhabitants of this state shall have liberty to fowl and hunt in seasonable times on the lands they hold, and on all other lands therein not inclosed; and in like manner to fish in all boatable waters, and others not private property
SECT. 44. A school or schools shall be established in each county by the legislature, for the convenient instruction of youth, with such salaries to the masters paid by the public, as may enable them to instruct youth at low prices: And all useful learning shall be duly encouraged and promoted in one or more universities.
SECT. 45. Laws for the encouragement of virtue, and prevention of vice and immorality, shall be made and constantly kept in force, and provision shall be made for their due execution: And all religious societies or bodies of men heretofore united or incorporated for the advancement of religion or learning, or for other pious and charitable purposes, shall be encouraged and protected in the enjoyment of the privileges, immunities and estates which they were accustomed to enjoy, or could of right have enjoyed, under the laws and former constitution of this state.
SECT. 46. The declaration of rights is hereby declared to be a part of the constitution of this commonwealth, and ought never to be violated on any presence whatever.
Lets hope Two, that you change your mind now that you know what is at stake here. Its MORE than just hunting on Sundays.
I also support holding off on deer. That will be up to the agency.
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Post by Twowithone on Jun 19, 2012 21:25:50 GMT -4
Gal and Dutch can you hunt on Sundays right now yes you can so therefore your rights are not being violated. Your group is playing the mentored youth trump card to much as for creating jobs in the commonwealth if Sunday hunting is approved what kind of jobs are these that people are doing right now 7 days a week could you specify these jobs it would create. See Ive been down this road before with you folks on the other board when it came too giving the GC. a raise I know the games that are played and how you circumvent them.Hey DUTCH whats your handle on the PONews forum and if Sandman is Guru Gal he put your stuff out on the street for sure.
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Post by galthatfishes on Jun 19, 2012 21:33:51 GMT -4
Gal and Dutch can you hunt on Sundays right now yes you can so therefore your rights are not being violated. Your group is playing the mentored youth trump card to much as for creating jobs in the commonwealth if Sunday hunting is approved what kind of jobs are these that people are doing right now 7 days a week could you specify these jobs it would create. See Ive been down this road before with you folks on the other board when it came too giving the GC. a raise I know the games that are played and how you circumvent them.Hey DUTCH whats your handle on the PONews forum and if Sandman is Guru Gal he put your stuff out on the street for sure. Perhaps you should consult an attorney and learn that rights are subject to reasonable regulation. What the legislative prohibition is; is an unconstitutional law. Now; if the PGC has the authority and they make a REGULATION that says no hunting on Sunday- then that would be lawful provided they could justify it.
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Post by dutch on Jun 19, 2012 22:04:38 GMT -4
Gal and Dutch can you hunt on Sundays right now yes you can so therefore your rights are not being violated. Your group is playing the mentored youth trump card to much as for creating jobs in the commonwealth if Sunday hunting is approved what kind of jobs are these that people are doing right now 7 days a week could you specify these jobs it would create. See Ive been down this road before with you folks on the other board when it came too giving the GC. a raise I know the games that are played and how you circumvent them.Hey DUTCH whats your handle on the PONews forum and if Sandman is Guru Gal he put your stuff out on the street for sure. I don't post on PON. I don't care about the economic impact of SH. never have. For me, it IS about giving people choices. It IS about allowing a family building activity on Sunday, when we have family destroying activities, like gambling now legal. It IS about commonsense in allowing this form of recreation to be regulated by hunters and not politicians and anti-hunters.
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Post by dutch on Jun 19, 2012 22:11:43 GMT -4
"if Sandman is Guru Gal he put your stuff out on the street for sure"
Really? How much have you talked to Gal in order to form the opinion of her?
Guru was simply hateful and spread lies. He has been doing it for 5 years. he felt that if you spread enough lies, it becomes the truth.
It doesn't.
He spread lies about my positions on here. All in order to make himself look like the Big man on campus.
he didn't even know that I supported not allowing deer hunting under the last SH bill.
He knew I SUPPORTED the changes in the doe seasons, yet he continued to lie about it on here.
He knew that I supported, on many of our larger SGL's, to make separate doe seasons on them in order to protect some of them from high allocations.
He also said my reason for wanting the doe tag transfer was to simply kill more does. NEVER was true, not even a little bit.
You have followed the words of a liar and taken them to be the truth. You have been fooled by him and his hate.
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Post by dutch on Jun 19, 2012 22:13:12 GMT -4
Oh, here is another one. I was on a CAC. I voted for and tried to encourage an INCREASE in the deer herd in that unit. I was voted down.
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