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Post by mrlongbeard on Jun 12, 2007 16:11:50 GMT -4
try this out with your hunting bow sit in a chair and try to draw your bow back as if hunting. if you can draw it without pointing sky ward or pointing down the your okay. if you have trouble doing this you may need to turn your limb bolts out and reduce weight. ;D
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Post by jeffpahunter on Jun 13, 2007 14:41:00 GMT -4
I do this a lot and it always amazes me how accurate I can shoot when sitting down, even at times when my accuracy was less than desirable from the normal standing position. Of course my wife says it's because it's my favorite position... ... you don't think she's right do ya ?....
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Post by mrlongbeard on Jun 13, 2007 16:03:58 GMT -4
hey jeff just trying to get people to understand you don't have to shoot 100 lbs to be a good archer. by what you say you have the right idea. a lot more people would be happier with their shooting if they learned to accept their limits. good luck this season.
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Post by Buckslayer on Jun 13, 2007 18:36:07 GMT -4
i must be a macho man passed the test with ease.70lber switchback
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Post by mrlongbeard on Jun 13, 2007 19:00:55 GMT -4
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Post by zodiakgsps on Jun 13, 2007 19:15:24 GMT -4
heard mrs. buckslayer was behind you helping? ?? LMAO!!! ;D ;D
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Post by jeffpahunter on Jun 14, 2007 6:25:09 GMT -4
ROTFLMAO.. ;D
I agree mrlongbeard. I myself do a lot of 3D shoots in the summer plus teaching bowhunter classes as well as witnessing others shoot when I set up bows for them at my shop and it's amazing at the amount of people that are shooting "over bowed". I've witnessed people who strain and struggle to get their bow to "roll over", having to arch their back, point to the sky or ground as they draw, just flat out way to much draw weight.
What they also fail to realize to is that if they have to draw like this in the middle of summer on repetitive shots what's it going to be like after a few cold hours on stand when muscles are cold, stiff and tight and they have to draw for one shot.
People need to realize that high poundage isn't the key or an aid to over come short comings in one's proficiency. A well tuned bow and arrow combination, keeping shots at moderate comfortable distances at a RELAXED target,...not one on full alert, razor sharp broadheads and after all of this....SHOT PLACEMENT !!!!! Something very difficult to execute when a person is extremely over bowed.
It's no different than shooting a gun...you can kill a Deer with a .22 if you hit it at the right place but an ill placed shot with a howitzer and that same Deer will run a long way.
I saw plenty of prime examples of this when I guided in Colorado. Hunters who were over gunned or over bowed and it effected their ability to shoot accurately tremendously. It's not WHAT you shoot it's HOW you shoot what your shooting !!
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Post by mrlongbeard on Jun 14, 2007 17:16:20 GMT -4
thanks jeff. i start these threads just to get some imfo out to people. but some think your stealing their first born. i'm not an expert but i do know my way around. archery hunting for 25 yrs you have to learn something. see people struggle all the time but won't give up the extra weight because it's not cool. great talking with another person who knows whats right and what isn't. good luck in the coming season.
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Post by jeffpahunter on Jun 15, 2007 6:49:07 GMT -4
Thanks Bud and like wise right back at you. It may be a little of the "older but wiser theory".. Much like you this year will be my 35th year of Bow Hunting so hopefully we've learned a thing or two over the years. I agree about sharing info as you do, thus my involvement as PGC Hunter Ed Instructor for going on 20 years now as well a Bow Hunter Instructor. I've told the classes how I've taken Deer with a 45 lb re-curve bow, complete pass thru's to. Those old "ancient" slow bows killed em just as dead as any high poundage "state of the art" compound bow. As long as I'm able to get out and take my young Son's out this year it will be a successful season and thanks for the well wishes. Best of luck to you as well my friend. Jeff
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Post by bfisher on Jun 15, 2007 13:38:58 GMT -4
Sounds to me like there is nothing but us old codgers on here. Ua know, there is nothing wrong with sharing info, especially if it's from practical experience.
I just have to agree that too many people are overbowed these days. Men, or mostly young men have this problem with testosterone. And they've been brought up in America where everbody has to think that bigger is better, more is better, etc, etc..
I would love to see a few younger guys really give an honest effort and shoot some of the bows we had 30 years ago. You know, those ones with round wheels, a 1" or longer valley, and 20% letoff. I'd just love to see how many would still be shooting 70# bows after a couple days of serious shooting.
I killed my 1st deer with a 39# compound and 2013 XX75. Must have been doing all of 175 fps and who knows what kinetic energy. Who cared anyway. All I know is that the arrow went through the deer and kept going.
I went through that stage of 67# all the time. Now I'm getting older and wiser and bow weights are down in the low to mid 50's. I absolutely know every fps my bow is producing, but it's not for figuring kinetic energy. It's just because I like to tinker and see what changes produce what results.
As it is right now, I'm about to go through my 3rd neck surgery in 15 years for Osteoarthritis and I have no idea whether I'll even be able to hunt this year. But if I can and it's only with my bow set at 40# it'll still be enough with a well aimed shot. And I'll bet the arrow passes completely through with even that.
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Post by mrlongbeard on Jun 15, 2007 13:51:07 GMT -4
great to her people that know something about archery.been hunting with a bow since the 70's and all these young kids will fight you tooth and nail if they think you want them to drop a few pounds or slow their speed down. heard a lot of people talk about losing 2-5 ft/sec because of something on their string. give me a break. shoot placement is what it's all about. good luck this season. bfisher hope your operation is sucessful and you can hunt this year. be sure and let us know how it turns out. good luck
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Post by zodiakgsps on Jun 15, 2007 23:27:54 GMT -4
Hey, I had no problem drawing my bow back sitting either! OK, so I shoot a McPherson that's only 55lbs with 75% let-off.....do I still pass?? ;D
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Post by mrlongbeard on Jun 16, 2007 9:49:36 GMT -4
you pass with flying colors. just away to try and get people to admit they need to think thing out when it comes to their bow. your all set to go.
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Post by zodiakgsps on Jun 16, 2007 10:07:21 GMT -4
I know, was just messin' around since my bow is obviously not a "hard draw" LOL!! ;D ;D I actually had a hard time finding one that "fit" me, as many bows with my draw length had to much poundage for me to draw back easily or not enough let-off. I can pull a heavier bow, but not w/o a lot of effort and that makes practicing not pleasant for me, just don't have a lot of upper body strength.
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Post by mrlongbeard on Jun 16, 2007 13:10:22 GMT -4
i know what your talking about. but some people are so bull headed they just don't get it. i don't brag but i can pull up to 90 lbs but that doesn't make it right. now down to 60-65lbs for better shooting. was just kidding with people when i called it the macho test.
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