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Post by frankinthelaurels on Dec 4, 2007 15:25:47 GMT -4
No other metric cartridge has ever been accepted by the AMERICAN shooters like the 7mm Remington Magnum !! THIS awesome killing machine burst onto the PA hunting scene back in the late 60's and early 70's and has never looked back.. it is my favorite big game cartridge of all time..I've owned serveral of them and currently carry one in a Browning Stainless Stalker... truthfully there's not much difference between an 06 and a 7mm. I use the 140 grain Nosler Partition..it has never failed me..no matter the distance or the conditions.... my son also uses one with 140 grain Barnes X-bullets... he loves this cartridge also..it's not over-powered as many think and does far less damage to game than think.....OK men, let's hear it !!
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Post by fastarrows on Dec 5, 2007 10:14:47 GMT -4
Frank,
My all time fav cartridge also! I shoot Hornady 139 grain SST's outta mine. I dont hand load, and this factory load groups 3/4 inch @ 100 yards! cant ask for better outta factory rifle with factory ammo! Mine is a Ruger MK 77 MK II topped with a Burris Fullfield II 3x9x40. I like the 7mm so much Iam buying a 7mm08 for me then for my son's as they get older and able to hunt.
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Post by frankinthelaurels on Dec 5, 2007 10:49:44 GMT -4
The 7mm/08 will also be coming up as a classic cartridge!! BEST part is it's only a little slower than it's big brother and far more efficient with the powder..that 200-300 fps will hardly be noticed by heart and lung tissure....I've owned alot of 7mm/08's but my favorite is my XP-100 chambered in it...
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Post by onager on Dec 5, 2007 12:41:51 GMT -4
How is the recoil compared to hmmmmmm a 30-06?
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Post by fastarrows on Dec 5, 2007 13:46:55 GMT -4
onager, For which one? The 7mm Mag is equal and flatter shooting. The 7mm08 is far less and hits like its big brother! The 7mm08 is a necked down .308 from 7.62mm to 7mm! It inherits all the accuracy of the .308 with a flatter trajectory!
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Post by frankinthelaurels on Dec 5, 2007 14:55:44 GMT -4
YEPPER...the taper of the .284 let's it fly nicely and have a high BC...however you very very rarely ever see any 7mm/284 cartridge of any design sitting on the benches at Williamsport's 1000 or the Mifflin Co Groundhog shoots at 500....the after market bullets that are benchrest quality just aren't being produced by really any manufacturer anywhere... strange, most hunters think the 7mm's, all of them are really accurate at longer ranges but benchrest shooters will not even think about ever using one in competition !!! Strange indeed..I can't tell you the last time I saw a 7mm anything being used in actual competition shooting, I think a guy last year or the year before tried a 7mmWSM or SAUM, gave up quickly..just wouldn't work to benchrest standards.. BUT still most of us regard the 7mm's of all types as super accurate, AMAZING isn't it... as far as the recoil, the 7mm/08 is a pussy cat..sweet and nice, the 7mm mag is a little more than the 06 but if you can handle the 06 you'll not be bothered by the 7 mag's.... what's also amazing is that the group of 7mm's have been somewhat accpepted by the shooting public but very few will even mention the 6mm Rem, 7mm Express, 7 WSM/SAUM, the 8mm Rem mag and look at what happened to the 10 mm pistol compared to the .40 S&W....only the "7mm Rem mag" has stood the test of time and still remains to this day a favorite amongst alot of big game hunters in PA...most of the others have been long since dead in most shooters eyes..AMAZING !!!
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Post by onager on Dec 5, 2007 15:29:58 GMT -4
This is probalbly a stretch but I was in the grade school system when the teachers suddenly started touting the metric system as the new measuring god. This left a bunch of boys missing recess to try and submit to this superior measuring system. Which may or may not be true. I have a serious question. Which cartridge do you all think is the overall superior whitetailhunting/ benchrest shooting round? Or is that not a fair question?
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Post by fastarrows on Dec 5, 2007 15:44:31 GMT -4
I belive its apples and ornges. You dont need the persioun need in benchrest for whitetail hunting.
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Post by onager on Dec 5, 2007 17:35:04 GMT -4
The only reson I rasied the question is because I know very little about benchrest shooting. So when I review the comments on the classic cartridges, I naturally approach it from the hunting perspective. While Frank discusses it often from the benchrest perspective. Which I certainly enjoy reading. As an aside since bullets and bullet constuction are so integral to the shooting sports. May I encourage Frank to do a followup series on the classic bullets in history. For example my father believed to his dying day that the round nose 180 gr in the 30-06 was his classic whitetail bullet. "It goes thru the brush better than a pointed bullet" As if it was a Larry Csonka like fullback on the goalline plowing thru the defense(brush).
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Post by frankinthelaurels on Dec 5, 2007 18:52:24 GMT -4
ONAGER....you may be onto something there, even to this day kids resist the metric system, now called the IS system of measurement to their last breath..this may in fact carry over into adults thoughts on the subject..as good an idea as any.. One of the best dual cartridges for long range hunting and target shooting is the .300 winchester magnum, there's no subsitute for .30 cal power in the hunting world. BRASS is the biggest deal and concern in long range benchrest shooting other than the quality of the bullets.. some of the best bullets in the world are found in .30 caliber..great BC, quality control gallore, and some of the best brass "LAPUA" is made in .300 WM...those two together make it a hard combo to beat.. lots of unaltered 300 WM's can be seen on any 1000 yard line on any given day and they are in the running on lots of those days...the only draw back is the expense of shooting .30 cal's compared to 6.5's and 6's...but on windy days..give me the big boys any day.and also the return to fire position because of recoil takes longer in .30 cal. THE .300 WSM is also making inroads into the world of 1000 benchrest also. At out "hog" matches...you see some but they have a hard time at 200-300-and 500 with the PPC's and BR's...but on windy days they still shine at 500 also. I have a great friend who long range bangs out to 1200+...and he always is carrying some type of .30, I'm sure you've seen some of Boyd's video's on many site's. They make kills that are so dramatic at only a fraction of the power that most of us use that it is sometimes beyond comprehension. I watched deer at 1000 yards drop literally in their tracks..he thinks it's because they don't get scared from the boom, he used the Sierra MATCHKINGS alot..220 and 240 grain..driven by 300 Ultra mag cases...at 1000 yards they have far less power than a 308 at 300 yards..do the math and look at the tables, but the kills are spectacular..another old friend kills at 1700 yards or more and that included elk in Colorado, but they almost always are shooting .338 diameter bullets over .416 rigby cases.. that .34 caliber really carries the down range power... GOD I could talk this all night long..you guy need to start shooting the hog matches..you can use any rifle, you will learn more in 1 match than a life time of guessing... the .300 Win. Mag. is for all of us to start with....
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Post by onager on Dec 6, 2007 11:19:24 GMT -4
Well I do have an unaltered 300Rum...but then I run into guys at my local range that go to the matches. I get them talking about their craft and very quickly I start feeling like the village idiot. They are nice guys, but so much to know about match shooting. Are there matches for "stock" guns? Sorry don't mean to change the subject.
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Post by frankinthelaurels on Dec 6, 2007 14:34:04 GMT -4
A great place to start is the long range groundhog matches..I am the range master in charge of the shoots at the Mifflin Co. Sportsmens Club located near Lewistown, PA. WE HAVE a pure, right off the shelf class for sporters and varmint heavy barrels...I assure you no one at these types of matches looks down on or causes anyone to feel bad about shooting for the first time, most of these guys are just deer and varmint hunters who love long ranging. They will bend over backwords. I agree that sometimes in pure benchrest 100-200-300 and some, not many of the 1000 yards boys do give off that "village idiot" feeling from time to time, just start at any of the hog matches...we have our first in early April.. Our stock class has 10-15 shooters..all out to have a great time..they laugh, they talk to each other and they help out..you'll be surprised at how quickly you'll be on target..almost every gun and caliber can easily without much modification if any be able to hit a target at 500 yards, after that some changes need to occur...you'll find out that recoil can be a problem when shooting the giants like yours..bring an extra sandbag to put between your shoulder and the gun.... THE "HOG" matches are lots of fun, competitive but not to the point of stunning, you'll see it all there, see them all shoot and then want all that you see, so be forewarned, they are addictive ...but nothing will teach you to shoot like long range, you'll see the affects and effects of every little thing...we have sight-in target at each distance to get yourself on and then your 5 shots for score.... Most of us never get a chance to actually shoot off benches past 100 yards,it's amazing how easy it is to turn the knobs to hit the target at 200-300-400-500...but you must start somewhere, sometime...
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Post by onager on Dec 6, 2007 17:15:06 GMT -4
Thanks! My bro-in-law lives minutes from the range.
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Post by moosemike on Mar 14, 2010 21:20:52 GMT -4
The 7 mag is great but I'd prefer the .280.
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Post by bghunter on Mar 16, 2010 20:29:17 GMT -4
7mm rem mag. don't do much for me.
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