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Post by Uncle Johnny on Aug 31, 2009 16:32:59 GMT -4
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stoff
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Post by stoff on Sept 6, 2009 19:00:40 GMT -4
this is all about careing for the less off healthcare for all can not be a bad thing
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Post by mrlongbeard on Sept 6, 2009 21:13:32 GMT -4
it's easy to sit there and talk about healthcare when you have some . my question is what about the one's who don't . and I'm not talking about illegals or drug addicts. i talking about people who have worked hard all their life's and the government let the companies they worked for dump there health care and their pensions. which we're paying for already. the guy in the video makes a lot of sense. but when in comes to our government nothing makes sense
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Post by fishnhuntr on Jan 27, 2010 21:14:52 GMT -4
The people of this country need to TAKE BACK what our founding fathers worked so hard at to put in writing.
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Post by dylant on Sept 27, 2011 12:24:00 GMT -4
The Youtube account has been terminated.
Don't understand the haters against a government healthcare option. It's part of being a member of a civilized society to look after those not having the same opportunities as everyone else.
Everyone should be able to have healthcare. It's not an "option".
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Post by strech1233 on Sept 27, 2011 18:58:52 GMT -4
im a union carpenter and am currently laid off i just got my insurance statement. i havent worked in almost 4 month and they want a $1600 self pay to keep my insurance for the next 6 months. where the hell do they expect me to get 1600.00 if im not working. personall i think that think that the insurance companies and "big medicine" have gotten too big for there own britches and our government let them do it and now that the people have had enough they need to do something or no one will be able to see a doctor.
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Post by dylant on Sept 28, 2011 15:58:05 GMT -4
im a union carpenter and am currently laid off i just got my insurance statement. i havent worked in almost 4 month and they want a $1600 self pay to keep my insurance for the next 6 months. where the hell do they expect me to get 1600.00 if im not working. personall i think that think that the insurance companies and "big medicine" have gotten too big for there own britches and our government let them do it and now that the people have had enough they need to do something or no one will be able to see a doctor. Sorry to hear that. It's too true. Govt is beholden to insurance and drug company lobbies. Write to your rep and senator and ask them what to do about it.
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Post by dougell on Sept 28, 2011 16:33:26 GMT -4
Let's hear some verifiable hard facts to back that position up.Who do you think will pay for a Gov run health care program?I put myself through college without any help from the Gov.When I graduated I worked for several companies before I had enough money to start my own business.I did things other people didn't want to do or wouldn't do to be somewhat successful.I work an average of 60 hours a week at a job with high stress and I have to fund my own retirement and pay for my own insurance.Currently I'm paying just over 1200/month for hospitalization for a faily of four.That money could be used for a couple new vehicles or a vacation home but I pay for it because it's important.Several years ago,I was paying 1150/mo and still got saddled with an 11k bill when my son was born.I dished out about 24k that year for healthcare while thousands of people got it for free on my dime.I'm self employed so I pay ss tax as an employer and and employee not to mention the ss tax I pay on the two people that work for me.Last year I paid over 35k in federal income tax.I'm friggin sick and tired of footing the bill when less than 50% of the people in this country pay no income tax.
Gov gun healthcare is the worst thing that could happen to healthcare in this country.That is unless your not one of the ones that would have to pay for every else's unhealthy fat lifestyle.
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Post by dylant on Sept 30, 2011 10:28:06 GMT -4
Govt healthcare works in other countries and those places have not collapsed, the people do not die because they can't afford it, and they do not go in to debt because they have overpaid because of the greedy FOR PROFIT insurance companies.
You just pointed out exactly why the system is completely broken the way that it is. Why should YOU pay that much for such basic healthcare?
No other place in the WORLD pays what the individual American does. It's a total scam.
Healthcare is great. The insurance BUSINESS is fraud.
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Post by dougell on Sept 30, 2011 13:04:06 GMT -4
Healthcare is this country is great but it's expensive.It's not the insurance companies that are the problem,it's the high cost of healthcare and the complete lack of accountability people have.I've seen digital mammograms cost as much as $1500.Women have it done ever year and the insurance companies pay for it.I've seen basic surgeries in the 10's of thousands of dollars.Who pays those bills?I was billed $500 from an anethesiogist that never saw my wife or son.He was on call,billed and I had to pay it.Crap like that on top of all the people that don't pay and fraudulent billing is what costs the insurance co and makes the premiums sky roacket.
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Post by huntereddie on Oct 6, 2011 7:31:02 GMT -4
Loafers should get nothing and the ones who pay the bills should get the best treatment but like a lot of other things in this Country that logic is upside down! I own my own business and I actually had two running at the same time while working part time, I put my house on the line for a business loan (how many moochers.. if they owned a home, would do that?) and I can sympathize with Doug. Communists and Socialists could go to Russia.Don't try to mooch off of me! I been layed off as much as I have worked and I had to take crappy jobs for a payday. I ate manure often trying to make a wage and rose above that level eventually. Some people ought to try it. You'll change your liberal left wing outlook when you have to make it for yourself and Mommy and Daddy,Granny or the Union or Govt.don't wipe and polish your behind. Some people remind me of the Meathead on All in the Family.... what a loser!
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Post by dylant on Oct 7, 2011 14:13:01 GMT -4
Just to remind you that Russia is probably the most capitalist country on earth - not coincidentlally riddled with corruption and organized crime. The small percentage of what you call loafers are not a reason to deny those who are trying to get ahead basic healthcare. It's not a 'liberal' philosophy it's what happens when you live in a civil society. The alternantive is dog eat dog Russia and we all agree we don't want that.
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Post by huntereddie on Oct 8, 2011 0:15:03 GMT -4
It's dog eat dog here too if you don't cover your six. Try starting your own business and put your house on the line and you'll see what I mean. The Govt. taking your hard earned cash and passing it out to loafers who want MORE and do LESS. And Russia Capitalist? You're kidding, right? Are the people any better off? Doesn't look like it. Are you one of the Wall St. Protesters? Those people don't realize that the money that Mommy and Daddy give them to try to kill the very source of their only income comes from their pensions and investments in Wall St along with their S.S. Look at your IRA Portfolio, if you have one. See where your money is invested. you'll be surprised. I guarantee you it's not in Anti-Capitalist organizations.It's been shown that if Wall St. goes down so does the World. I see it every day. I work for the rich, They give me work. No regular Joe Six Pack ever hired me for anything. I hump for my money on my own and I'm proud of it and I pay for my own Insurance. Don't need or want Obamacare.The Free Market is the best way to do business. I know healthier people than me on S.S. Disability and I despise them. They're just looking for a free ride on my back and other working people. I been broke twice in my life. Not broke until payday,broke with NO payday. No Insurance, No check from the State or Fed. Govt. Nothing. Like I said I fought my way out of it, and if I can so can a lot of other mailbox,wait for a check wizards.I agree some people need help, I'm not against that. It's the lazy ones expecting a handout I have a problem with. You can go to Russia if you have a terminal problem or even Canada. I'll bet you croak before you get fixed. Why do they come here? Hmmm, it don't take a lot of energy to figure that out.
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Post by dylant on Oct 11, 2011 22:23:16 GMT -4
Yes - Russia is capitalist. Riddled with corruption and crime. Here in the US not everyone who needs a little help are loafers or lazy. You got out of it. Good for you. Well done. But some people are trapped. TRAPPED. What ya gonna do? Let em die?
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Post by huntereddie on Oct 12, 2011 0:06:48 GMT -4
Illegals have free healthcare. Write your friends and Congressmen about it unless you like paying for them. I SAID that I agree some need help. Some need to get off the couch. BTW, When I was down and out nobody gave a flying duck about me except my immediate family and we didn't have 2 nickles to rub together.
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