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Post by frankinthelaurels on Feb 16, 2010 20:53:03 GMT -4
WE had a hard hunt this past weekend for my son and his two buddies...more than 3 feet of snow on the ground and some tough, tough conditions for all, including the dogs....these three kings were taken last Friday and Saturday, they were in the 33-39 pound range and were all entered into the Cresson contest..big weekend coming, mosquito creek, need a 50 pounder to place there..they are looking..enjoy
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Post by 71172 on Feb 16, 2010 23:28:49 GMT -4
Frank, I need some more advice. We went to camp this weekend (Marienville ,Forest County) to coyote hunt. Normally coyote tracks are everywhere but with the new snow that fell we saw absolutely nothing. We hunt with a call (Foxpro FX3) no dogs. Some say after a heavy snowfall that the coyotes will den up for a while is this true? We went to over a dozen places and like i said not a single track. Any ideas? I know yotes have to eat???
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Post by guru on Feb 16, 2010 23:57:23 GMT -4
Nice Frank. Man one of these days Im gonna get me a "yote dog". Being a predator caller' (didnt do much this year though) and only killin' the very very occassional yote, judging by the pics you often post, I sure do like the looks of your success rates better.
That one yote looks abit unhealthy. lol Shot one like that back in December. Left him where he laid. Seems to be alot of mange in Pa.
What kinda hounds you using Frank and how do you get them started on yotes?
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Post by frankinthelaurels on Feb 17, 2010 18:03:28 GMT -4
MY advice, sell the calls, the decoys and everything else that goes along with that and get yourself a dog or two, get hooked up with some hound hunters and you'll be ahead of the game in no time...they don't hibernate or den up, they are there but this snow is too much for them, send the dogs in if they can handle the snow and in no time they'll have one up, getting to it before they do is a challenge however, the snow is 3 feet deep in the laurels and it's snowing like crazy outside now...we use running walkers and a little bit of plotts, they are tough old gals and are fearless, I could post some pictures of them fighting but it seems to bother some of our non-hound friends so I just don't bother positng them..dogs are the only way to go, period, end of story...the yotes above were looked at by USWS vets and the healthy one has zero food in their stomach, the manged one was full of old deer parts..DOGS, houndsmen have the advantage and I've learned to enjoy the whole thing, never owned a dog before that hunted... been a long deep snowed winter in these mountains...
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Post by 71172 on Feb 17, 2010 20:36:22 GMT -4
Thanks for the advice. Much appreciated. I would love to hunt with dogs but my schedule/work conflicts with owning a dog. I"ll keep at it with the call for now. It definately works but as soon as we got this snow things came to a halt.
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Post by trophiesonly on Feb 17, 2010 21:56:39 GMT -4
hounds are the way to go if you cant call them...and need a kill every time out....many hunters like chaz go north to camps..and there areas have been hunted out ....by numerous houndsman...who could care less whos properties there hounds cross..many let there hounds go across whomevers property they please...i love hounds have had many good ones...and ran behind many packs at trials judgeing them...for alot of years.... but when the dogs kill the coyote by tearing it to shreds before the hunters show up...thats not hunting..its plain dog fighting..and at the end the yote has usually ran down 2 to 3 pair of hounds before finally wearing out....the cresson hunt was won by none other than a caller....pictures of hounds killing coyotes..is going to ruin hound hunting all together..there are already associations working to end it already...there are houndsman...who live for the sound of the chase...thats what making good hounds are about...to drive down a snow covered road...find a coyote track...toss out 3 hounds..and follow them with a electronic collar..in a motorized vehicle is also illegal...just to jump out and shoot a coyote and see little or hear near none of the chase is frowned upon by real houndsman...do you have to kill a buck everytime out? these are coyote poachers not hunters...just my opinion...based on facts...and years of following hounds...for miles and miles.....and obeying PGC laws... what would happen if you tracked a 20" 10 point...across posted properties following your hounds in a truck..and got out and shot the deer....in 2a you may get shot..and you would loose your license for years......the law is no different for a coyote... this organization is trying to put a end to coyote hunting...and kill pics on the net dont help...clean pics of hunters with there hounds and a harvested coyote or 2 are nice..but showing hounds tearing up coyotes is all the ammo this group needs... coyoteinfo.typepad.com/
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Post by guru on Feb 17, 2010 23:09:48 GMT -4
In franks area, I believe the amounts of public land is measured in 100's of thousands of acres of gamelands & state forests. Im guessing he doesnt have alot of problems with dogs running where they shouldnt.
Could be a problem around this wmu though with many smaller landowners and little public land. (2a). Could probably be alright up in only a few areas of 2c though for this southwestern region.
Didnt really realize how brutal that gets though. Has to be a little on the raw side for me to actually feel a bit sorry for the danged coyotes in some of those pics, Ive grabbed deer by the rack on a few occassions with spines broken, pulled back the old head & slit their throats from ear to ear and never thought twice about it. lol.
No more brutal then theyd most likely die in nature though im guessing. Must admit though, i Just thought the hounds ran the coyote past the hunters, or bayed them, maybe at worst a little nip here or there.... other than when they used "coursing dogs" which are bigger stronger and faster than hounds like i knew they used out west to hunt coyotes.
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Post by trophiesonly on Feb 18, 2010 1:48:27 GMT -4
Didnt really realize how brutal that gets though. Has to be a little on the raw side for me to actually feel a bit sorry for the danged coyotes in some of those pics, Ive grabbed deer by the rack on a few occassions with spines broken, pulled back the old head & slit their throats from ear to ear and never thought twice about it. lol.
thats hunting..and you didnt torture it before you killed it for 30 minutes or so....you ethicaly killed it...as it should be in hunting... i agree its a coyote also...and some houndsman hunt legaly without the electronics...and they dont locate game by a motorized vehicle...but many break the PGC game laws numerous times in 1 chase.......doesnt matter if you are hunting millions of acres..if your breaking the game laws...electronic collars...motorized vehicles..etc...your poaching coyotes not hunting them...plain fact
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Post by yihunt on Feb 18, 2010 7:33:02 GMT -4
way to go!! I got to get out and try for a few yotes
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Post by Twowithone on Feb 18, 2010 7:56:12 GMT -4
Looks like a nice hunt there Bull357.
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Post by frankinthelaurels on Feb 18, 2010 20:33:17 GMT -4
As I said, some on here have issues with hounding..but they have no problem placing a 180 bullet through somethings heart and lungs or a broadhead through the same area while sitting up in a portable treestand near a food plot designed to draw deer off their neighbors posted property or placing 50 #5's through the brain of a gobbler coming to a decoy while they are sitting in a blind watching a decoy, guess all those things feel fuzzy and warm to those poor little creatures...enuff said !
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Post by trophiesonly on Feb 18, 2010 22:13:25 GMT -4
Frank all the examples you gave are legal hunting in PA....and are ethical kills I think its great bull and his buddies got those yotes...i seen a picture he posted of the hounds..there was a big old male walker in there good looking hound....but kill pics have no place on the web....after the kill group pics..are different....if that hurts houndsman..hunting is doomed...but pics ive seen bull and others post of coyotes getting tore apart...and them saying the dogs killed the coyote..should be kept off the web...as i said..rabbit hunters and coon hunters dont post those type pics......i dont have hounds anymore..i ran them from age 9 to 36..and i mean ran them...all hours day and night....i had 10 to 20 at a given time..i cant even begin to tell you the number of hounds i started and sold...and i can give you names...from pa..to NY..KY..and many more states...when 1 of my hounds hit the ground it was in shape..and was strait...and would hang with anyones hounds...my buddy still has my bloodlines..they are still exellant hounds...ran 3 times a week....and i like hounds....thats were i got the lyme disease...would still have them if i didnt get sick....but as i said the kill pics..showing coyotes in a hounds mouth are gonna hurt all houndsman...again congrats on the coyotes...and hope you understand...
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