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Post by guru on Aug 24, 2010 17:02:34 GMT -4
I think this is a subject where there is quite a bit of confusion over what is legal and what is not. Having seen this discussion on other sites several times in the past, with no real 100% factual answers usually given, i thought this might be a good topic to bring up here.
1. Its understood that treestands should be non-damaging to trees. But what qualifies as acceptable? Are stands with "teeth" (even though they are "dull") such as most climbing stands like summits etc... or hang on stands with pointed/sharp ends at the bottom that butt up to the tree legal? They dont really damage the tree, but do make marks. If these are not legal, probably 99% of todays treestands would be illegal..
2. Is it legal to leave lock on stands on gamelands? Stateforests? If so, are they allowed to be placed ahead of time? How long ahead of time?
Maybe WCORWJ can provide some insight on these issues?
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Post by tbass on Aug 24, 2010 18:01:45 GMT -4
I never liked that law's wording either. My climber did a heck of a number on a choke cherry I ran it up and down about a dozen or so times. My chain on did little damage, but my steps sure did. Screw in steps don't kill the trees, but I was told they are illegal because of damage. Walmart sure sells a heck of a lot of them though. They sell a lot of bait too so I guess it goes hand in hand.
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Post by dougell on Aug 25, 2010 16:30:26 GMT -4
Tree stands can't break through to the cambium layer.In other words,if they cut into the white,fleshy part of the tree,you're in violation.Scuffing up the bark is ok.Alot of climbers will be ok if you climb an oak but may cause damage to a thin barked tree like a beech.
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Post by Twowithone on Aug 25, 2010 20:10:13 GMT -4
Ive noticed over the yrs after the season was over the bark damage done by my summit viper. But go to that tree the following season and its fine. Is bark like skin rejuvenating. Ive seen where tree steps were placed yrs ago and now the tree looks like it has abscesses going up the tree you can actually see where the steps were by these abscesses.
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Post by rwj on Aug 25, 2010 21:42:58 GMT -4
dougell has it right, you cannot penetrate the cambium layer which is the white tacky layer under the bark. I have not seen a climbing stand yet that damages the cambium layer.
Screw in steps are illegal on public land.
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Post by guru on Aug 27, 2010 18:55:42 GMT -4
Yeah, I kinda figured most climbers wouldnt be a problem. As for lock-ons, alot of the popular brands, and those ive seen sold at walmart etc. have two pointed ends where the stand platform meets the tree at the bottom. Those, Im not sure about. They dont really mess up a tree, but are gonna dig in further than climbers.
I knew that screw in steps were illegal, but alot of guys use climbing sticks with lockons, so that part isnt a problem as long as the stand itself is legal.
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Post by dougell on Aug 31, 2010 10:15:32 GMT -4
I have a couple Summit hangons and a lone wold hang on.They don't dig in to the cambium layer.I had some old cheap stands that did however.I also have a set of Lone wold climing sticks and they barely scuff up the bark.
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Post by guru on Aug 31, 2010 17:36:58 GMT -4
Myself and some of our crew who use lock ons use "cheap stands". The areas i hunt, you'd be a dang fool to hang a 100-200 dollar stand, let alone several of them on different similar properties.
All i ask of a hangon stand is that it be big enough for me to sit and stand on, and it doesnt give under my weight. Anything else, i couldnt care less about. I climb like a monkey and have no fear of heights. I have yet to see one so uncomfortable, that i felt i couldnt spend half a day in it, or that i needed to spend another 50 to 70 bucks on it, for someone to walk out of the woods with it. I have some stands situated so they are more comfortable than others that id be more likely to all day hunt, and my climber is very comfortable for that purpose as well.
I have a few different kinds, but mostly gorillas. Same as the other couple guys in our group that use lock ons.. A few other brands, dont even recall the brands...cheap walmart 35 dollar specials. They do the job just fine, especially since i put up several on a few different properties for myself alone each year. ...And move around hunting other spots/areas with my climber of course.
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Post by dougell on Sept 2, 2010 16:59:51 GMT -4
Myself and some of our crew who use lock ons use "cheap stands". The areas i hunt, you'd be a dang fool to hang a 100-200 dollar stand, let alone several of them on different similar properties. All i ask of a hangon stand is that it be big enough for me to sit and stand on, and it doesnt give under my weight. Anything else, i couldnt care less about. I climb like a monkey and have no fear of heights. I have yet to see one so uncomfortable, that i felt i couldnt spend half a day in it, or that i needed to spend another 50 to 70 bucks on it, for someone to walk out of the woods with it. I have some stands situated so they are more comfortable than others that id be more likely to all day hunt, and my climber is very comfortable for that purpose as well. I have a few different kinds, but mostly gorillas. Same as the other couple guys in our group that use lock ons.. A few other brands, dont even recall the brands...cheap walmart 35 dollar specials. They do the job just fine, especially since i put up several on a few different properties for myself alone each year. ...And move around hunting other spots/areas with my climber of course. I agree.I'm not leaving a Lone wolf in the woods.I have the small alpha hangon and I usually use it with a set of LW climbing sticks when I set up in a place where there's no good trees to use a climber on.It comes out with me every night.Last year I bought a Summit eagle rs and left it up all season.I keep it locked and take the climbing sticks with me.I also zip tie artificial limbs and leaves to the bottom to conceal it.Still no guarantee.To date,I've only had one stand taken and it was placed in a real stupid spot.Last year I did have a guy steal a set of cheap ladder sticks but I knew who did it and got them back.I agree though,cheap hang-ons are the way to go if you plan on leaving them up for any period of time.I may only hang one or two a season because most spots dry up fast around here do to the food sources constantly changing.I'd rather use a climber because they're more comfortable,more mobile and they don't advertise where you're hunting.
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Post by cmreed on Sept 3, 2010 10:57:53 GMT -4
Good topic and remember it is not only the tree stand but alot of people also use the screw in bow hangers and they are also illeagal on public lands.
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Post by Twowithone on Sept 3, 2010 16:50:15 GMT -4
I used those bow holders before. I see what their saying about them but this was going through some thick bark. Well anyway I bought out of Cabelas a bow holder that secures right on the treestand.
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