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Post by mrlongbeard on Feb 13, 2008 19:25:04 GMT -4
worked with the mechanical and the fixed. always got more penetration with fixed than mechanical. shoot both of them all from the same setup and the same target . the mechanical never live up to what was said about them. the other problem was the mechanicals fell apart long before any damage was done the fixed blade. this isn't to say some mechanicals don't have a use.
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Post by hilbre on Feb 13, 2008 20:04:17 GMT -4
Well to be honest....I don't re-use a BH on game. And I'm not much for the steel drum and plywood tests neither:^) Many of the mech heads are made to allow the flades to bend against bone actually. That's not to say that many of them aren't made poorly. Sme are....I've seen them. But I have shot many fixed heads over the years that IMP were trash. And some very popular ones too:^) If a BH takes a rib...and smacks a shoulder on the farside....killing the deer cleanly? I don't care if the BH is re-usable:^) What I've been seeing fom the folks I hunt with...are passthru's....and big holes. Some bent blades.....but most all were replaceable and serviceable afterwards. We'll see. My bets aren't on the table until I see some from my bow:^)
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Post by jeffpahunter on Feb 13, 2008 22:59:44 GMT -4
I was like you for years and never even considered re-using a BH on a second animal. I was shooting Thunderhead 125's then 100's for years and then Muzzy 100's and not that I probably couldn't have in some cases but I just never did.
A couple of years ago I switched to Slick Trick 100's and I have one in my quiver that has killed 3 Deer with complete pass thru's leaving tremendous holes, none of the 3 Deer went more than 50/60 yards before piling up.
The Slick Tricks are all steel construction and strong as any BH I've used and seen in over 35 years of bow-hunting. The one I'm referring to I just keep sharpening after taking a Deer and it still spins as true and straight as it did out of the pack new.
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Post by mrlongbeard on Feb 13, 2008 23:09:37 GMT -4
never used a bh over myself. just use them over again when practicing. the ones i hunt with i will buy new or replace the blades. read one time if your blade won't cut a rubber band when streched and very little pressure you need to replace. if it's true?
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Post by cmreed on Feb 14, 2008 10:59:41 GMT -4
Hilbre I agree that there are alot of game killed with mech. . It is what ever works for you. I do have one ? for you though. Why if you have been using fixed for 34 years with no problems would you change to something that your not sure about? I'm not trying to be smart but I just see things that (If it ain't broke Don't fix it)! Go with what you know works we all owe that to the animal we harvest. JM2 cents
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Post by firefightnlife on Feb 14, 2008 11:03:50 GMT -4
just being devils advocate, but with technologic advances we've seen, with each new gadget in a possablity for improved performance. and like you said to each their own and their always more than one way to skin a cat, maybe testing different methods will bring you another way you are better with.
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Post by bfisher on Feb 14, 2008 18:01:59 GMT -4
Jeff,
Here again is jut one of those cases where one-size doesn't fit all. We get so ingrained into thinking everything applies to our deer hunting we forget there are other game. In th case of turkey I'd agree whole heartedly that shock value is necessary.
I think for turkey, even at my 50#, I'd choose a mechanical with the largest cut I could get to fly well.
You're spot-on about tuning being absolutely necessary to good flight, no matter what head is on the arrow. I used to do a lot of bare shaft tuning as I just got a kick out of seeing "nothing but a nock" going down range. The norm was that I'd get that shaft flying so true out to 35 yards I had the gall to put a broadhead on it and really fine tune till that flew like a dart and had the same POI at 30 yards as fletched arrows with target points. You want to see a forgiving setup, this was it.
As the bow designs have changed, especially with single cams and nock travel (vertical and lateral) issues this has become harder so I don't do it much any more. Maybe this summer I'll get one of my X-cam bows and ACC's out and try some magic.
Oh yeah, another thing that makes this harder is the inconsistency in spine of most carbon arrows. Not from shaft to shaft, but around the shaft. You probaby know that you can shoot a bare shaft and hit a certain POI, turn the arrow 180 degrees and shoot again and have a different POI. Turn the nock and i's somewhere else, and so forth. Arrows are getting better, but ACC's still take the cake for spine consistency. Now this only means for arrows within fairly normal price range for us common folk.
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Post by hilbre on Feb 16, 2008 11:04:26 GMT -4
Bearslayer....mainly because I like the cutting done by some fo the mech heads. And the trends these days in BH's are to go smaller to gain decent arrow flight. As my bow speeds go up, it is always that much more of a chore to get heads to fly with field points. And then to group well. When all is perfect, they grop fine. But in the field....things are not always that perfect. And what I've found is the "slightest" change in form affects BH flight with fixed heads to a great degree with faster speeds. Well...I don't want a less forgiving BH or touchy BH any more than I would want to shoot a less forgiving bow. That's why I shoot a high brace-height bow for hunting as well. Over the years, I've seen much fo the Mech head fears proven unsubstantiated IMO. With "some" of them anyway. SO...I'm going to set aside some of my stubborness to try them out.
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Post by fastarrows on Feb 20, 2008 17:22:45 GMT -4
I was on the anti mech heads for a long time. this year I tried the Rage 2 blade 100 grainers........ Man that is one devastation head! On light skinned game I will not hisitate to use them. On thicker game I will use my stand by's Steel force 100 grain
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Post by dougell on Mar 4, 2008 11:49:39 GMT -4
I've killed a boat load of deer with a variety of mechanicals over the years.I never lost a deer with a mechanical but I did notice inconsistancy with both penetration and durability.
I don't doubt that Rage heads will kill deer but fail to see why anyone needs to put a 2+ inch slice in a deer.A buddy of mine killed a doe with one this year.The entrance wound was definately huge but there was no exit wound and the deer still went 60 yards with a double lung hit.I've killed around 20 deer with slicktricks over the past 6 years and only had to trail two deer and one of them was hit way too far back.
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