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Post by loggy on Jan 26, 2008 10:51:56 GMT -4
What factory production in-line been around the longest/still being mfg today??
I dont know the answer but maybe some here do??
OK you ML Historians or ole farts...here you chance!!!! ;D
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Post by underclocked on Jan 26, 2008 16:52:12 GMT -4
That would have been the H&R Huntsman although it has gone through several spasms of development, changes of ownership, and breaks in production. Still in production - nope, they stopped just this year. I don't know if Gonic is still making any rifles but they have been / were around for awhile. But I would have to guess that Kahnke at kahnkegunworks.net/ probably has the longest and most consistent track record at 25 years.
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Post by batchief909 on Jan 27, 2008 11:28:59 GMT -4
I'm too young to even attempt an answer.... ;D
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Post by loggy on Jan 27, 2008 15:51:18 GMT -4
I'm too young to even attempt an answer.... ;D I used to be able to say that chief!! Guess im lucky just to say anything!! ;D
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Post by zimmerstutzen on Jan 29, 2008 22:38:50 GMT -4
Kinf of depends on what constitutes an inline. Today everything that isn't side lock is considered in line. But some actions have been around for a hundred or more years. Some box lock actions have been around since Flint lock days. Early muzzle loader single shot rifles and pistols were built like a the break open actions used today. Early Maynard rifles were percussion box locks very similar to the modern H&R Huntsman. The new Remington genesis is a copy of the old Pheonix rifle. Some modern in lines are copies of the early 1960's Tingle Target pistols. Some folks consider an underhammer to be a type of in-line and if that is the case, Hopkins and Allen have been around in various re-incarnations for 170 years. If you consider a bolt action as an in-line, the first bolt action rifles were invented in the 1830's using a serrated needle that poked forward into a piece of match material in black powder, behind a football shaped bullet. a German named Dreyse perfected the design and it gave rise to the Prussian Needle gun. which was issued to the Prussian Army in 1848. That probably accounts for the reason why the Germans stuck with bolt action designs in the early Mausers, when other countries experimented with all mnner of other types of actions, the Tradoor, Snider, Martini-Henry, Rolling Block etc.
Anyway, The reason the needle gun caught on was that it didn't require any percussion caps or primers. The priming material was incorporated into the ammunition and reduced reloading time.
Durng the traansition from muzzle loaders to cartridge guns, there were many different types of actions. Bolt action, box lock and side lock actions were used to built odd in-line actions which fired 22 to 28 caliber pellets with just primers. There were called zimmerstutzens. The Wurfflein was a rifle made in Philadelphia in the mid 1800's. They made zimmers and break open target rifles like the H&R rifles. Even with double set triggers.
Harry Pope made rifles that could be either fired as centerfire cartridge guns, or as muzzleloaders. A cartridge full of powder could be placed in the chamber after a bullet was muzzle loaded through a false muzzle. The groups fired at 200 yds were substantially reduced when loading the bullet from the muzzle. Such rifles were box lock guns like the Encore. (He usually used Stevens 44 or 44 1/2 actions.) He made such guns from around 1890 through 1935. That is probably longer than any other current manufacturer. Now Harry generally made such guns on semi custom as ordered basis, so he doesn't really qualify as a mass production maker.
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Post by redleaf on Feb 18, 2008 11:19:40 GMT -4
zimmer, why dont you study up on this stuff so you can give a more in depth answer? tell me some more about them Tingle pistols? You ever seen one or a picture of the internals of one?
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Post by toytruck on Feb 18, 2008 11:31:25 GMT -4
I'm too young to even attempt an answer.... ;D Anybody over 50 is an ole fart..... ;D ;D
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Post by loggy on Feb 18, 2008 11:37:29 GMT -4
LOL!! Was it a year or so ago that chief hit 50 or was that 60?? ;D
heck, im a young 56 & just happy i can still can fart!! ;D
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Post by toytruck on Feb 18, 2008 12:18:57 GMT -4
LOL!! Was it a year or so ago that chief hit 50 or was that 60?? ;D heck, im a young 56 & just happy i can still can fart!! ;D ;D I was including myself as well...56 next month. I was pokin at the chief cause he's sensitive you know.... ;D
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Post by firefightnlife on Feb 18, 2008 16:33:40 GMT -4
I'm too young to even attempt an answer.... ;D if your too young i'm definetly not gonna even try
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Post by zimmerstutzen on Feb 18, 2008 17:30:44 GMT -4
Red Leaf. A tingle Target pistol, used the trigger, trigger guard and rear frame of a colt perc cap and ball revolver. Instead of the revolver cylinder, a block of steel was fastened where the cylinder would have been. the block had a threaded hole so a percussion barrel could be screwed in and fixed so that a percussion nipple was lined up with the hammer from the pistol. I believe I have a schematic of a similar pistol that I can post, if I figure out how to do it. I don't have a Tingle, but I do have an Italian knock off of a Tingle.
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Post by zimmerstutzen on Feb 18, 2008 17:36:52 GMT -4
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Post by firefightnlife on Feb 19, 2008 9:24:28 GMT -4
that guns looks like it's in good condition
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