rrroae
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Post by rrroae on Mar 21, 2007 16:51:10 GMT -4
Today when I checked on the logs that were sold on my first sale(having about 7 different sales) found the truckers were pulling the logs for the 2nd sale instead of the logs they should have taken(sale #1). They had already taken 2 loads out and were about to leave with the last load until I stopped them. Not sure what I should do here since the bids for sale #2 are due this Fri and the trucker told me the mill already started cutting the first 2 loads they accidently took.
These are bid sales so even if they agree to buy the logs they accidently took, how should I determine price and what should I do about all the ticked off people there is going to be when they see this Friday there are no logs for sale.
This just happened about an hour ago and I can't get in touch with my forester. I need to settle down and I need some advice if anyone has any.
Rex
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Post by markr on Mar 22, 2007 5:45:55 GMT -4
Did they really make a mistake? I know when I make mistakes, it usually costs me. There should be no difference here.
Here's what I would suggest. If the bid price of load #2 was higher than the bid price of load #1, then I would certainly ask said logging company to payout the difference. if they don't, I'm sure a magistrate can make a final decision.
It needs to be clear however, was there any chance that load #1 and load #2 could have been mistaken for each other. If there was, they may have some kind of argument.
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Post by zimmerstutzen on Mar 22, 2007 12:03:23 GMT -4
Sorry to the guys out there, but my opinion of loggers is that they rate a few steps below used car salesmen and TV evangelists in the integrity department. There may be a 25% chance there was a real mistake made. That they already started cutting the logs sounds like the "standard" spin. I'd demand the logs returned as well as the Lumber. It was their mistake, they should correct it. Your forester can tell you whether lot 1 was less or more valuable than lot 2. Maybe there isn't much difference. If so, you just -resale lot 1 and let em have lot 2 instead. There is a logger in York County who is well known for his BS. Tells folks so much a bd ft for white oak, so much for black oak so much for red oak, and suddenly every tree is the lowest priced variety. He'll even lie about what are oak and what are other species. He made a deal with my neighbor to log the neighbor's property and took seven or eight of my biggest trees as well. One was a black cherry. He claimed he never cut any cherry and produced the saw mill reciepts, which listed no cherry. Of course he didn't produce the reciepts from the veneer company where the nicest logs went. I got those from the veneer company. He was eventually charged with trespassing and theft.
I spoke to one mill owner, he won't even buy logs of certain species because "85% of them are stolen." (his words not mine)
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Post by markr on Mar 23, 2007 9:57:05 GMT -4
You're right zimmerstutzen. Come down hard on em'. they know exactly what they are doing.
I watched my friend get taken by a logger. He knows this guy, infact it's a neighbor of his. A long story short, the logger's wife and daughter recently died in an auto accident. He was really depressed and his logging operation was not running. He had no trees on contract to cut and no wood to cut at the mill. His people were laid off.
My friend is a good christian and he felt very sorry for the man. The logger came and cruised his 162 acres and gave him a price of $30,000 for all harvestable lumber on the property except the white oaks. The guy came in and was hauling out 7 truckloads of trees a day for about 5 weeks. He did not grade or reseed the skid roads. He did leave the white oaks untouched. He took loads of huge poplar and a lot of big cherry.
I was talking with my friend after the logger was done when he told me the price he got for his trees. I just about died. I said you got taken to the cleaners. I'm not a forester, but based on what they took, he should have gotten at least $80,000 for it. I told him that next time he decides to sell timber, call every logger he can, get written quotes, and make the logger sign a contract that legally requires him to clean up his mess.
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rrroae
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Post by rrroae on Mar 23, 2007 10:23:07 GMT -4
Acme, man did that guy get taken. 7 loads at minimum 3000 ft a load for 5 weeks = 700,000 ft of timber. HE GOT 4 CENTS A FT!!!
As far as my situation, I'll give the lumber co. the benefit of the doubt. It seems the Dutchman who owns the mill can't read maps. They've made it right in my eyes by paying the foresters estimate of timber value and I'll get a check today. I've done at least 20 timber sales so I'm not a noob at this and accept the remedy as fair.
Back to Acme's scenario, I'm doing a timber stand improvement. Only cutting the junk out and I'll get between .40-.45 cents a ft. Compare that to the guy Acme was talking about who got 4 cents a ft. and certainly taking any valuable tree in the process. Just unreal people can be so dishonest.
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