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Post by Buckslayer on Mar 2, 2007 0:25:31 GMT -4
what bullet is a good one 140 grain for deer 7mm-08 thanks
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Post by rs on Mar 2, 2007 8:17:56 GMT -4
i dont think you will ever go wrong with the nosler partition,as always shot placement is the most important part of any shot.
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Post by edmehlig on Mar 4, 2007 22:02:46 GMT -4
Buckslayer, like RS said, you can't go wrong with the Nosler Partition. However, before I got into Muzzle Loading, I used to do a tremendous amount of shooting and found the Hornady 139gr Spire Points or the SST bullets shot just as accurately and performed just as well on game as the Noslers and they are a lot cheaper.
Ed
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Post by snakeshooter on Mar 5, 2007 22:21:31 GMT -4
I'm currently working up a load for a Rem. Mod. 7, for my grandson. I'm using IMR 4350, and Nosler 140 Bal. Tips. My 2 sons and I have had excellent results on deer for years with our .270s using 140 gr BT's in front of 51grns of 4350. That said, you just can't go wrong with the Partitions for deep penetration without failure. I better work up a load using Partitions, just in case the grandson ever draws a Pa elk tag.
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Post by remingtontroyboy on Mar 8, 2007 10:19:44 GMT -4
RS WHERE ARE YOU AT IN 3A, I USE TO HUNT 3A AND NOW HUNT 3B AND 3C I HAVE A CABIN ON ARMENIA MOUNTAIN AND MY FATHER IN LAW HAS A DAIRY FARM IN COLUMBIA CROSS ROADS
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Post by rs on Mar 8, 2007 12:24:45 GMT -4
RS WHERE ARE YOU AT IN 3A, I USE TO HUNT 3A AND NOW HUNT 3B AND 3C I HAVE A CABIN ON ARMENIA MOUNTAIN AND MY FATHER IN LAW HAS A DAIRY FARM IN COLUMBIA CROSS ROADS i am on the east side of #15 near tioga, and WELCOME to the pa-outdoors forum
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Post by cossack on Mar 15, 2007 16:31:45 GMT -4
If you handload, the Barnes TSX in 140 and Varget to get @2800 fps works for me. I'm using a Kimber Montana in 7/08 due to shoulder issues. I get mild recoil despite the gun weighing just 6.5 lbs scoped and loaded with 5. This load gives my 7/08 the terminal performance of much bigger conventional bullet. They are solid copper so one can't blow them up. (As Partitions have done for me on close shots). One such TSX load shot the entire LENGTH of a sizable Minnesota buck. Retained weight in the high 90%s is the norm, frequently resulting in one-shot kills. Of the numerous animals I've shot, only several went even 20 yards. None were lost. I have a thing for .284 calliber bullets, and shoot a 280 and 284 Win along with several single shot handguns in this caliber. The Barnes TSX outperforms, in combined accuracy and penetration, any other bullet I've loaded...including Nosler Partitions.
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Post by snakeshooter on Mar 16, 2007 0:18:21 GMT -4
Cossack, just curious as to what was the partition load that failed at close range? And exactly what was the failure? Reason I'm curious is, as I said before, I'm planning on loading partitions for the grandson's 7-08. Before I switched to Bal. Tips my whole family used partitions in our guns since back in the 60's. Can't remember any failures, such as blow ups and no penetration. Most of the time we got pass throughs. I still have a box or two of 150's for the .270s. I also load Barnes TSs(200grn) for my .300 Win Mag., just in case I ever draw an Elk tag. Never used them on game yet.
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Post by cossack on Mar 16, 2007 10:26:52 GMT -4
Snake, My records indicate that I was using the 140 Partition with IMR 4895, 41 grains produced 2860 fps from a 24" barrel and sub MOA accuracy. BUT, when using that load on a cull operation, while shooting at close range (50-100 yards) the front of the bullet would peel back to the partition leaving only the last half intact. The effect was a bullet that penetrated quite well, largely because of it's small diameter. Several deer shot through the lungs ran off seemingly unphased but were later found more than 100 yards away after a difficult search (blood trail was sparce). Further tests with media indicated that the retained weight was around 70% and diameter was only a bit more than .284. The front half of the bullet was gone. Post mortem review showed the bullet had essentially 'penciled out' leaving a small wound channel and apparently producing little shock effect. Another benefit from TSX is that, because they retain so much of their original weight, they can be loaded with lighter bullets for flater trajectory. I typically use 140s where one would use 150 or even 160 weight bullets. However, with the increased velocity and retained weight, the terminal performance is comperable. A friend shot a bull elk using 150 gr Barnes X I loaded for his 7mm SAUM. Complete pass through at 285 yards for a one-shot kill. My experience with the Ballistic Tip on game is limited. Those I tried were accurate; however I value terminal performance over extreme accuracy for hunting. The same dude that killed the elk shot an Ibex (reputedly a tough animal) with one using a 280 Rem. It took several hits. He indicated that penetration was rather limited, creating a sizeable but relatively shallow wound. But that's a sample of one.
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Post by snakeshooter on Mar 16, 2007 21:16:25 GMT -4
Cossack, thanks for the info. Maybe I'll try some TSs or TSXs. Although, as you probably know , John Nosler designed the partition for the petals to fold back, but noticed they sometimes would also break off. He decided to keep the design because of the tissue damage the frags created, and claimed approx. 65% weight retension as the norm. As for the Bal Tips, I also know of a friend who hit a Elk in the front shoulder ( 30-06) with little penetration only to drop it with a very lucky head shot as it was running away. Little wonder, the BTs were designed for thin skinned game, and I love them on deer. I WILL try the Barnes bullets. Thanks again for the info.
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Post by williethewelder on Mar 17, 2007 13:01:03 GMT -4
Barnes Triple Shock, IMR 4895, 41 grains, Primer CCI 200, F.P.S 2660, GROUP SIZE 0.5" Very consistent. Can move up to 41.8 grains of powder, velocity increases to 2780 fps, group opens up to 1.5". Note that IMR 4895 is the correct powder. H 4895 does not give the same results.
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