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Post by mrlongbeard on Nov 21, 2007 22:47:38 GMT -4
anybody shoot this style release and was it hard to get use to
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Post by jeffpahunter on Nov 22, 2007 10:08:29 GMT -4
I have a couple and while IMHO they are great for target shooting I personally don't recommend them for hunting. They are great for overcoming target panic and correcting form flaws as they require perfect form to function. This is the precise reason why I know I and many don't recommend them for hunting...due to the fact that you can't guarantee that you can always use perfect form even though you would like to.
Just my .02 from many years of testing and experience.
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Post by bfisher on Nov 22, 2007 23:52:48 GMT -4
I gotta agree with Jeff. I have several BT's that I shot in field competition 30 years ago and for that they are the cat's meow.
I have used them for hunting, but don't recommend them unless the shooter is VERY accomplihed. To shoot one correctly you don't know when it is going off. This isn't always a wise choice for hunting situations.
A paper or rubber target just isn't going to move while you're getting your head squared up.
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Post by mrlongbeard on Nov 23, 2007 21:25:53 GMT -4
that's what i was thinking. read an article on this subject , but was looking for more imput. thanks guys.
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Post by XMan on Nov 28, 2007 12:09:18 GMT -4
A small disagreement and agreements. I've noticed that since I've been using a back tension release. I have no problem with using one when hunting. When using a back tension release I can regulate the time I want my shot to happen. I'm still using good shooting form as though I'm target shooting. I just push and pull and by staying relaxed and concentrating on aiming. My shot will still happen but just a little sooner than normal. When competing I can take more time to make the best shot as possible. I shoot for Tru-Ball Releases and I do own the before mentioned release. Shooting a BTR for me has improved my scores. It's different than a thumb trigger, etc. Once I found a good consistent achor point and began using proper form. And most of all not knowing when the shot is going to occurr makes me fully concentrate on aiming. Alot of archers have had target panic for one reason or another. They are concerned on activating the release once the pin rests on the bullseye. This causes anticipation with the shot. The main thing a back tension does is take away the anticipation and forces you to aim. There's alot of great BTR on the market. Some expesive and some not. Give them a try and watch your scores improve.
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Post by bfisher on Nov 28, 2007 13:41:31 GMT -4
Xman,
What you are saying is correct, but you are not the average bowhunter. As I said, they are more for an accomplished archer. The average bowhunter usually doesn't have the knowledge, patience, or desire to improve to the levels we're talking about.
Fopr one thing, how well a BT release can be shot is very dependent on setting the bow's draw length to an optimum position, sometimes down to the 1/8". Most bowhunters are lucky enough to be shooting within an inch of what their optimum would be---and they're usually long, which is worse than a little short. You just aren't going to get people intersted enough in tweaking their bow that much.
Couple that to the idea so many are hung up on shooting 10-15 lbs more than they are capable of shooting more accurately, adding a BT release is asking for disaster. But if a guy is adaptable enough between the ears the BT release can be a great training aid. Frankly I've never enjoyed drawing more than about 55# with one finger. I've done it, but it isn't fun.
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Post by XMan on Nov 30, 2007 22:38:00 GMT -4
I totally agree with you. Most people are set in their ways and refuse to listen to anything they feel is a change. By the way you tapped on my head enough to get me to where I'm at now. It does take time and alot of patience to shoot a BTR properly. So many archers are hung up with speed and longer draw lengths to obtain this unnecessary speed. A fast miss is still a miss. Drop the weight down fellas and do some tinkering with your set up. You'd be suprised of the accuracy you'd obtain. Then when using a BTR the results will be worth it.
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Post by Buckslayer on Dec 12, 2007 19:19:55 GMT -4
i thought about getting one for 3d shooting or target..
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Post by bfisher on Dec 12, 2007 22:39:21 GMT -4
i thought about getting one for 3d shooting or target.. For that a BT can be a great training aid. Be prepared to shoot less weight and be willing to play with draw length on your bow. Be prepared to take a few good shots to the chops unlss you get one with a safety. Personally I think safeties are for wusses. Besides, if you take a few shots to the jaw and come close to knocking yourself out you'll be more likely to either makes some adjustments or throw the release away. Seriously though, you stick with this thing and after time your scores will improve. You'll also leartn what the term follow-through means. Hook up the bowsling. Back in the 70's I started using one and I'll bet it took me 3-4 months before my field scores started to go up. Very, very frustrating, but I had a good coach for support. It took a year till things were really good and I finally was shooting field rounds in the mid 530's. This was in the PSAA Unlimited division in 1978-79. The bow was a 1977 Jennings Arrowstar, 40% letoff, peak weight of 51# holding 27#, Dillenbeck rest. The arrows were X7 1614 Blue. Release was a Stanislawski with custom made handle to fit my small hands. For what it's worth that 48" A2A, 8" brace height, reflexed riser, round wheel bow was shooting 232 fps. Blazing speed for the time considering my 27" drawlength. My coach used to tell me "The best shots you ever make will be the ones you don't see". Well, when a BT goes off if you see the arrow you ain't shooting it right.
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Post by bfisher on Dec 12, 2007 22:41:21 GMT -4
Darn it, I meant the riser was deflexed----------not reflexed. I don't even think reflexed risers were even a thought back then.
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Post by XMan on Dec 13, 2007 10:20:15 GMT -4
You're telling your age BFisher:-) I've finally got to the point of not anticipating the shot fully. When it fires it fires. Man that's hard to do. I just concentrate on the spot on the target and when it fires it fires. I find on the longer shots out to 50 or so yards every now and then I catch myself trying to see the arrow. On the shots that I let just fire I'm normally in the 10 ring or 11 ring. When I don't I find my shots hitting to the left. As BFisher said it takes a while before you see the results. If you have patience it's definately worth the wait.
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Post by XMan on Dec 13, 2007 10:21:28 GMT -4
BuckSlayer give it a shot. I'm telling you you can't go wrong with a BTR.
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Post by cmreed on Dec 13, 2007 10:54:43 GMT -4
Yes buckslayer xman is right try one. When I shoot compitition I shoot 3 different 2 figur stans. I had three releases in my release potch all the time and each target I shoot I most likely didn't have the same release. The reason I did this is because even though it is a bt you start to know your equip. and you can intisipate when that release is going to go off. Some people use the built in clicker and that also gives you an idea whan that release is about to roll over. Like bfisher said if you are going to try one get a real one not one with saftys and thumb bottons and all that just make sure you set the cam up agressive untill you get used to it. After you get used to it then fine tune the cam so you have as little hand movement as possible.Also when you are at full draw you should never know that your hand is rotating all you consintrate on is holding on your spot and trying to touch your 2 shoulder blads together. When that release goes off it should scare the s#%#t out of ya and the arrow will be stuck in the target. That my friend is a good shot. Good luck and stick with it and practice you will get it.
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Post by bfisher on Dec 13, 2007 13:34:06 GMT -4
XMan, yes I'm showing my age and proud of it. 1 1.2 years from Social Security. Can't wait.
Buckslayer, if you get one that clicks before it goes off, take iut apart and turn the cam around on it. Sometimes the click of the release sets guys off.
Bearslayer brought up another good point. One you don't need to do at this point. I, too, used to carry three identical releases in my waist pouch. The only difference was the adjustment of the cam position. And it's a very slight different position. It keeps you from anticipating the timing.
Due to lots of reasons I don't shoot it any more. Heck, I'm just starting to get some muscle back from a crushed nerve in my neck, surgery, and muscle loss in my back and shoulders. I'm just now, after 6 months getting my bow up to 33#, a far cry from the 55# I used to shoot. A BTR would be suicide at this point.
Hey, you want a BTR? I have that old Stan I can send you. I think one of the others has been in Tennessee for 20 years. Need a mailing address. PM is fine.
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Post by mrlongbeard on Dec 14, 2007 18:32:35 GMT -4
all good points in the use of the bt release. i'll stick with what i have. the one thing i won't shy away from is tuning and working with my bows. my wife always tells me you play with them to much. but you can never do to much in search of perfection
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