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Post by trophiesonly on Apr 19, 2009 12:51:46 GMT -4
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Post by tbass on Apr 19, 2009 13:41:06 GMT -4
Explain the difference between that and a preserve such as the ones we here so much about on TV and on here. I see no difference between what these guys were doing and putting out pheasants and chukar that have been pen raised. I think this is just bias media. If it is illegal to keep them then fine them for it. If they illegally trapped them from the wild then fine them. The only way I would find fault is if they are torturing the animals. Having dogs trail them sounds a lot like training to me. They of course didn't say what happened when the hounds cornered the coyotes. That is the pivotal issue to me.
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Post by trophiesonly on Apr 19, 2009 15:25:13 GMT -4
tbass,i agree 100 percent. I wonder how many of those pen raised coyotes get shot and taken to big money hunts like Mosquito Creek,were the purse is 8 thousand dollars.Thats why they need to stop the money hunts. When theres money involved some have to cheat.
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Post by zodiakgsps on Apr 19, 2009 17:43:29 GMT -4
Explain the difference between that and a preserve such as the ones we here so much about on TV and on here. I see no difference between what these guys were doing and putting out pheasants and chukar that have been pen raised. I think this is just bias media. If it is illegal to keep them then fine them for it. If they illegally trapped them from the wild then fine them. The only way I would find fault is if they are torturing the animals. Having dogs trail them sounds a lot like training to me. They of course didn't say what happened when the hounds cornered the coyotes. That is the pivotal issue to me. Raising birds is legal, yotes, not. Also a big difference between a pen raised bird or a coyote escaping......I wouldn't be worried the bird would attack my kids or small pets. A human reared yote (or one caged and fed by a human) is going to be much more trouble than a wild one as it would have less human inhibition & I'm sure it would have trouble finding food if it's not used to hunting. Canids and fowl are not even close to compare for raising, releasing and hunting, thats like comparing apples to carrots. I'm pretty certain the yotes the hounds bayed where dispatched, as for any that escaped, hard to say. No reason to do this, yotes are legal for them to run year round, no closed season on them.
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Post by tbass on Apr 19, 2009 18:41:50 GMT -4
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Post by dougell on Apr 20, 2009 10:45:42 GMT -4
I guess that unravels the mystery of where the PGG got the coyotes that we have today.
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Post by trophiesonly on Apr 20, 2009 15:17:30 GMT -4
nope they swam across the rivers to southwest pa. you know coyotes love to swim. and we are circled by alot of 250 yard wide rivers. guess the river banks would be the best place to hunt them.
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Post by dougell on Apr 21, 2009 8:47:04 GMT -4
I suppose the PGC stocked them in every other state as well.
I'd ask for proof but as usual,you'd come up with nothing.
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Post by trophiesonly on Apr 21, 2009 19:17:49 GMT -4
So you think they like to swim rivers. Back to the topic these guys were cutting the yotes tails off so the hounds couldnt catch them in the pen. www.predatorxtreme.com/ArticleContent/4/2009/1234/Kentucky-Sting-Snares-Coyote,-Fox-Traffickers Kentucky Sting Snares Coyote, Fox TraffickersSee More News 4/14/2009 After 20 months of intense investigations, five men and one woman have been arrested on 831 collective counts of illegally buying, selling or possessing wild-caught foxes and coyotes, as well as one count of animal cruelty. Authorities seized eight coyotes illegally in the possession of George Hill, 57, of Waco, Kentucky, when they were sent to deliver a summons. Hill was arrested on the spot. The sting, code-named “Gyp-Sum,” involved conservation officers in Kentucky, West Virginia, Alabama, Virginia, South Carolina, Indiana and Florida, according to a report on The Outdoor Wire. Also arrested in Kentucky were Forest D. "Tony" Hall, 69, of Sitka, Elbridge Cook, 62, and Michael Ellis, 62, both of Corinth; as well as James Auxier, 41, of East Point, and Charles Creech, 73, of Beattyville, . Thomas Hymer, 78, of Irvine in Estill County, and Clustena Hall, 70, of Sitka, received a summons to appear in court. Undercover officers have been following the illegal ring of fox and coyote trafficking, and witnessed several instances of illegal possession, buying and selling of the animals. One of the worst witnessed accounts involved Creech cutting the tails off live coyotes to be used in chase pens for fox hound training. Creech was charged with seven counts of animal cruelty, and faces up to seven years in prison and $15,000 in fines. "Officers in other states have heard of that practice, but this is the first time someone has actually demonstrated it to an officer," a Kentucky undercover officer who witnessed the mutilation, said. "The tail is the first thing the hounds grab, so cutting it off makes it harder for the dogs to catch the coyote and extends the chase." Chase pen operators will pay up to $100 for a coyote or fox to train hounds according to conservation officers. Wildlife biologists are concerned that the chase pens will lead to a coyote and fox black market in Kentucky.
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Post by trophiesonly on Apr 21, 2009 19:21:16 GMT -4
I suppose the PGC stocked them in every other state as well. I'd ask for proof but as usual,you'd come up with nothing. Can YOU prove they didnt? ??
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Post by pahillbilly on Apr 22, 2009 5:13:54 GMT -4
So you think they like to swim rivers. I know for a fact they will swim rivers. Had the hounds actually swim the river after them & continue running the other side.
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Post by trophiesonly on Apr 22, 2009 8:10:19 GMT -4
a mountain stream,or a river like the ohio,monogahalia,etc.
being pushed by hounds they would try to climb trees especialy when fresh hounds are put on them.
Ive been a houndsman all my life,and there is not many yotes you can run without useing vehicles and electronic devices,to harvest the yote,seen it done a few times.And know hunters who use hounds weel.
A grayhound will run down a yote in the wide open,but without being constantly cut off,by hunters useing radio's,cell phones,vehicles,etc.all which is illegal,in PA.,even a good set of trailing hounds is not a match for a healthy yote.
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Post by dougell on Apr 22, 2009 8:44:28 GMT -4
There is no evidence that they ever stocked a coyote in pa.Coyotes have been in pa for many decades and most other states as well.Can you name a state that doesn't have any?Is the PGC responsible for stocking them in those states as well.You're conspitacy theories never end but you never have one logical shred of proof to back up your insane claims.
I hear this type of nonsense all the time.My favorite is when people claim that the PGC denied the existence of coyotes 10 years ago.It's utterly ridiculous.they never denied their existence.
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Post by trophiesonly on Apr 22, 2009 11:34:10 GMT -4
as is said doug.......... brainwashed. prove they didnt
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Post by dougell on Apr 22, 2009 17:28:08 GMT -4
I don't believe in bigfoot or mountain lions in Pa either.Since there's no evidence that either exist in Pa,despite the claims of thousands of nutjobs,the burden of proof lies with those that make those ridiculous claims.Same goes with your off the wall coyote stocking conspiracy.How does one go about proving something didn't happen when no evidence exists that it did happen?
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