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Post by trophiesonly on Apr 22, 2009 17:36:12 GMT -4
i havent seen a bigfoot,nor a mt. lion.
but many coyotes seemed to fall from the sky pretty much everywhere in the last 10 years. And you may not believ it but there here....lol...
seems kinda odd.
in the north i can understand,but im surrounded by large rivers,guess they ran across the bridges.
funny you see very little hit on briges,or even on the road.
But i can take you out and have them howlin all over the area.
i would rather see facts how they got so wide spread so sudden over the past 10 years.
like i said i dont see them swimming the big rivers all around my area,and they would have had to cross them.
so you tell me how they fell from the sky,everywhere at once.
seems agencys move animals where they see fit.
Experts from all 50 state fish and wildlife agencies and other conservation groups that care about the environment, natural resources and animal welfare are working together to improve and modernize the technology of trapping through scientific research. Over the past five years, the International Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies has begun a program to develop Best Management Practices for trapping as a way to document improvements in the welfare of captured animals and trap technology. The research project is one of the most ambitious in the history of the conservation movement. Trapping is used to relocate wildlife populations to areas where they once lived but may no longer be found. For example, the restoration of wolves to Montana and river otters to Missouri was made possible through the use of trapping. Regulated trapping is an important way for biologists to collect information about wildlife, including information about wildlife diseases like rabies that can also affect people. Threatened and endangered species also benefit from regulated trapping. Sea turtles, black footed ferrets, whooping cranes and other rare species are protected from predation and habitat damage caused by foxes, coyotes, and nutria.
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Post by dougell on Apr 22, 2009 18:06:22 GMT -4
If the trapping and relocation of wolves,otters,fishers and elk wasn't a secret,why would the reintriduction of coyotes be such a secret?Then once they're reintroduced,why do they allow an open season on them and the ability to use bait and electric calls and decoys?Not a very good way to protect your investment.
So you're telling me that you live on a big island?That's interesting.
You have nothing that even resembles a possibility,let alone proof.
In 1983,the coyote population was estimated by the PGC to be around 2000 animals.
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Post by tbass on Apr 22, 2009 18:06:30 GMT -4
I guess I'll get us further off the topic. Doug why don't ya think there are lions in PA once more? We had them until some time between 1910 and 1920 if I recall the stuff I read. They have been found in the Appalachian Mountains up into VA or WV according to some articles a while back. Its not far for them to naturally migrate up the ridges. I remember as a kid in the early 80's, a guy claimed to have seen a coyote being laughed at. Everyone said he didn't know a dog from a coyote. Some "nutjob" will be right some day and prove it. Every time an animal shows back up in a place it hasn't been in decades, people are called liars, nutjobs, crazies and worse until absolute proof shows up. Like mythbusters say;Lions...plausible.
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Post by dougell on Apr 22, 2009 18:10:56 GMT -4
Possible?anything is possible but highly unlikely is more like it.Show me solid.concrete proof.So far,all I've seen is pictures of bobcats and the USP trying to paint a fake blood trial from one an Amish made up a story about shooting.
BY the way,the first documented and confirmed coyote kill in Pa was in clearfield county in 1946.
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Post by mrlongbeard on Apr 22, 2009 19:56:33 GMT -4
no lions in pa. with as many hunters as we have someone would have shot one or had positive proof. coyotes were a problem with a lot of sheep farmers in Armstrong county for as long as i can remember. buying and selling them should be illegal just as any wild animal should be
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Post by pahillbilly on Apr 23, 2009 5:09:30 GMT -4
a mountain stream,or a river like the ohio,monogahalia,etc. being pushed by hounds they would try to climb trees especialy when fresh hounds are put on them. Ive been a houndsman all my life,and there is not many yotes you can run without useing vehicles and electronic devices,to harvest the yote,seen it done a few times.And know hunters who use hounds weel. A grayhound will run down a yote in the wide open,but without being constantly cut off,by hunters useing radio's,cell phones,vehicles,etc.all which is illegal,in PA.,even a good set of trailing hounds is not a match for a healthy yote. We don't kill a lot of yotes but we do kill them & we only use the trackers for hound recovery. We surround the area we are hunting before we let the hounds loose. Once a yote breaks out it is usually game over. I have also seen tracks across the ice when the river frezes up. Rivers typically run north to south, our coyotes migrated from the north. Here is a link from my board that tells how NY is tracking coyotes with gps collars & about a PA trapper that trapped one. 150 miles from it's capture site in a period of 8 months. There is also a map that traces it's movements. ritenoursspgds.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=350As far as mountain lions go there are idiots out there buying these animals & either letting them go after they realize that they can't take care of them, or they escape from there cage. As far as Bigfoot goes, the PGC is definitely stocking them. A guy up here shot one with a PGC tag in it's ear.
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Post by dougell on Apr 23, 2009 8:58:26 GMT -4
No way,the ice could never hold one of these huge Pa yotes.They have to be using bridges.
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Post by trophiesonly on Apr 23, 2009 10:01:31 GMT -4
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We don't kill a lot of yotes but we do kill them & we only use the trackers for hound recovery. We surround the area we are hunting before we let the hounds loose. Once a yote breaks out it is usually game over.
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Well thats the way it should be done,but many dont use the collars that way.
But its the use also of motorized vehicles,and radios,which doesnt give a yote a fair chance.
Coon hunters bust there rumps when hunting,many yote houndsman,dont even get wet boots.And hear little of the chase.
In my opinion,the ones who jump out of a truck,and shoot a yote running at them,because there is nowhere left to run,are not houndsman,or hunters,in my book,just thrill killers.
Why not just lobby to get the law past to make them legal.
But using radio,and motorized vehicles to head them off,would probably never be legalized.No matter what.
Like i said they cant prove coyotes were not stocked either,so nobody can claim they werent.It goes both ways.
We have seen a wildlife trapping agency with white pickup trucks,and white box trailors at 3am,in Washington county,one night this winter.Seems a crazy hour of the night to see multiple trucks and trailors,in the same area.
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Post by manofthe45 on May 11, 2009 23:23:25 GMT -4
No I was there in the second truck that night we were relocating bigfoot to 5c. In return for a harley and leathers he is going to handle our growing deer population
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Post by trophiesonly on May 14, 2009 20:09:50 GMT -4
lol...hope ya got a title with it.But then again,the wco do about as much to houndsman using radio collars,radios,and motorized vehicles when following there hounds trailing a yote.
As the state police pull over bikes.
i know tons who never have plates,insurance,or a sticker.
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Post by bubba15301 on May 20, 2009 15:44:02 GMT -4
acoyote was shot in greene county about 15 years ago had a game commission tag in its ear
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Post by The Invisible Man on May 20, 2009 17:36:35 GMT -4
acoyote was shot in greene county about 15 years ago had a game commission tag in its ear No it didn't. It had a radio collar on it and the PGC was tracking it to see where it's den was.
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Post by dougell on May 21, 2009 8:46:56 GMT -4
acoyote was shot in greene county about 15 years ago had a game commission tag in its ear There's actually quite a few turkeys,deer,coyotes,bear and waterfowl running and flying around with tags on.it doesn't mean they were stocked.I know of the PGC tagging an entire den of coyotes in elk county almost 30 years ago.It doesn't mean they stocked them.
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Post by trophiesonly on May 28, 2009 16:25:14 GMT -4
The coyote did have a tag in its ear. It also had a collar but lost it. The sheep farmers got together had a meeting at the local fairgrounds and put a bounty on them. None was seen for years then they erupted,all at once.
Game Commission stocking stories began in the late '80s after a coyote pup ear-tagged by a wildlife conservation officer was shot by a deer hunter. The pup, which was fitted with a telemetry collar and bobcat ear tag (#0026), was trapped on a Greene County farm where coyotes were killing sheep. It was hoped the pup would lead the officer to its den. Within days, however, the young coyote couldn't be located with radio gear; it apparently had shaken its telemetry collar. The coyote, minus its collar, was shot a few months later. Stories began to spread that it bore a ear tag from a western state, and that at least 25 other coyotes had been released, given the tag's number. The rumors continue.
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Post by trapper on Jun 22, 2009 15:51:28 GMT -4
Ok, kids here we go. You know 30 years ago possums were unheard of north of New York state now the Canadians have them. The coyotes came to us after we killed off their chief enemy the timber wolf, they came and maybe bred with a few remaining wild timber wolves and presto you got the eastern coyote, black person of the canine world! You yuppies and your coyote stocking! What a hoot, you boys are too domesticated. Up here in Clearfield county, we have eastern coyotes and the stray mountain lion as well.
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