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Post by rrroae on Mar 28, 2007 22:07:27 GMT -4
Why is Iran so eager to get in a confrontation with us and the Brits? First they believe they can build weapons capable nuclear facilities and think Israel and the west will just idly stand by. Then they go ahead and capture 15 British sailors who were over a mile outside of Iranian water. And just for good measure, they dress the one female sailor up in Iranian fashion and force her to make a speech falsely conceding the British were in Iranian territory.
So just to let them know that we'll stick by our British allies, we run full scale military exercises right out their backdoor. Does Iran back down at all? Nope, nada, zilch.
They're doing what they're notoriously good at....seeing how far they can push a situation. I guess there must be a lot of lead paint chips in Iran. How else would you explain such moronish behavior?
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Post by taterdavid on Mar 29, 2007 9:15:57 GMT -4
rrr,the problem is they see us as a paper tiger,they know we are strong but also know that certain aspects of us are weak(media ,libs).just like iraq we defeated them no problem,but the country has no stomach for a long war which is still going on and you can believe it is nowhere near over,especially depending on what happens in 2008. to make a long story short what the media and libs are doing is enbolding these pschos.quite frankly the likes of some of them make me sick
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Post by VaPa hunter on Mar 29, 2007 20:58:31 GMT -4
I'm very interested to see how this plays out. Big mistake on Irans part. I'm teeling you, that part of the world just isn't right in the head. Something cataclysmic is unfolding.
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Post by rrroae on Mar 29, 2007 22:38:46 GMT -4
VaPa, great seeing you here.
I agree we're going to see something big. This is one of the reasons I want to get the heck out of Iraq. If the region destabilizes further and this turns into a multiple country issue, the last thing we need to be doing is wasting our resources in Iraq.
We just have to remember what a national security threat really is and Iran certainly seems to be more of a threat than Iraq ever was.
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Post by zimmerstutzen on Mar 30, 2007 16:45:09 GMT -4
Crazy liike a fox maybe. They know darn well the US is in no position to enter a third conflict and the spineless wonders called Russia, France and Germany are still too closley suckling Irans' oil.
The US cluster plucked Iraq with incompetence. Sure we can win a war and conquer, momentarily, we sure can't enforce a peace over there. We had a pure right to trash Afghanistan, and we still haven't done jack to get the place stabilized. Al Qaida is back and getting stronger. You think the rest of the world would let us nuke em? When pigs fly!
Saddam was one mean ass SOB, but the electric lights were on and the stores had food and the hospitals had medicine and it was relatively safe to walk the streets. We done screwed that up so bad it is criminal. Sure let three warring cultures who hate each other to death create a democracy. Thats is the laughing stock joke of all time. Too many of the people are unwilling to live under a majority rules system. It can't work. A kick butt dictator who cracks skulls together is necessary to maintain order. Won't work any other way. Not for generations.
Iran is playing their cards to the hilt and the Dems's votes in congress are telling him he can push even further. Any body who thinks it matters where the Brits were regarding the line is an idiot. The Iranians will always contend it was their waters Even if it was the Brits would say otherwise. 35 yrs ago, we could have persuaded the Shah to slowly unfurl a pro west democracy, but instead we let the fanatics get hold and over throw him to create a Moslem state. Error there goes all the way back to Johnson & Nixon.
They aren't idiots they are getting all kinds of press and anything that helps a third world country thumb its nose at a big power like the US gets support from their friends. We are the biggest power on the planet, for now. That makes us the biggest target as well.
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Post by sjsfire on Mar 30, 2007 17:33:36 GMT -4
Sand+heat=glass, I'd send a little heat.
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Post by sjsfire on Mar 30, 2007 17:34:49 GMT -4
Sand+heat=glass, I'd send a little heat.
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Post by loggy on Mar 31, 2007 14:18:43 GMT -4
Is there a more idiotic country than Iran?
How about North Korea for starters! That Kim Jong Il is a loose cannon for sure. If were ever are enticed into a war with North Korea and/or Iran...we will look back to the Iraq war as sandbox play.
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Post by stormdecoys on Mar 31, 2007 16:43:37 GMT -4
This country has proved that the public will not put up with a war of any kind. Iran knows this and will soon gain alot more power because they know the next time something happens we are not just going to rush right in. Whoever on here said about the lights being on when saddam was in power, this dude killed tens, if not hundreds of thousands of his own people with chemical weapons, are you telling me this guy deserved to stay in power just becasue he provided power to the country? The thing I don't understand is , Saddam was the problem. We are spending billions now just to get rid of him. Don't we have any sharpshooters working for the government anymore?? A few bullets would have been alot cheaper, and less messy. Yea, we would have had some pissed off liberals, but hey , can't please everyone. Send a couple of hit men over to N. Korea and Iran and tell them to have at it. NO questions asked.
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Post by loggy on Mar 31, 2007 17:16:43 GMT -4
Good points stormdecoys. Maybe the same hitmen team that are lookin for bin laden since they are sorta like the Maytag Man last coupla years.
The whole situation belwilders me for sure. 100's of billions spent adversely iimpacting our ecomony & the price of gas is going higher than ever before we even initiated our disguised oil field protection program. I think the American people are finally starting to wake up.
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Post by stormdecoys on Mar 31, 2007 18:18:34 GMT -4
That gas price thing is a whole different thread. But I am more pissed at the american oil companies than I am with Bush for the Iraq debokle. C'mon we are getting screwed to the hilt with gas prices and one of our own oil companies comes out with the highest profit quarter in history of any company in the world??? Let's remember that I said profit. That means after all your bills are paid, and your people are paid, that is what is left over. I don't remember what it was , but think it was around 4 billion. THATS JUST FOR 3 MONTHS!!!! If anyone has ever been robbed you have a feeling of being violated. I think I could put a softball up my butt and wouldn't even realize it.
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Post by johnw on Mar 31, 2007 22:37:09 GMT -4
HAD WE TAKEN SADDAM OUT IN 91 LIKE WE COULD HAVE...FACT NOT FICTION..... WE WOULD NOT HAVE THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE TODAY IN IRAQ.....THIS PRESIDENT HAS TURNED THIS WAR INTO A PERSONAL VENDETTA BETWEEN AL QUIDA IN AFGHANISTAN AND MAKING SURE THAT IRAQ HAS A DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY (WHICH WILL FAIL) WE HAVE EXTENDED OUR RESOURCES TO THE MAX......ANY COUNTRY OUT THERE COULD START SOMETHING AND WE WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO DO A LOT ABOUT IT....IRAN IS TESTING THE WATERS BOTH WITH ENGLAND AND US........NORTH KOREA WILL FOLLOW IF SOMETHING DOES'NT CHANGE SOON. WE WILL BE IN A WORLD OF HURT.......HAVING SERVED IN DESERT STORM AND BEING INVOLVED WITH INTELLIGENCE AND OUTSIDE PROJECTS I WILL STAND BEHIND MY BROTHERS AT ARMS BUT, I NO LONGER SUPPORT THIS PRESIDENT....I PERSONALLY THINK THEY SHOULD IMPEACH HIM AND GET HIM OUT.......BRING OUR TROOPS HOME AND DEFEND WHAT IS OURS RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW..... JUST MY OPINION, BEEN THERE,DONE THAT,DIDN'T LIKE THE OUTCOME......
JOHN
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Post by VaPa hunter on Apr 1, 2007 9:38:15 GMT -4
HAD WE TAKEN SADDAM OUT IN 91 LIKE WE COULD HAVE...FACT NOT FICTION..... WE WOULD NOT HAVE THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE TODAY IN IRAQ.....THIS PRESIDENT HAS TURNED THIS WAR INTO A PERSONAL VENDETTA BETWEEN AL QUIDA IN AFGHANISTAN AND MAKING SURE THAT IRAQ HAS A DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY (WHICH WILL FAIL) WE HAVE EXTENDED OUR RESOURCES TO THE MAX......ANY COUNTRY OUT THERE COULD START SOMETHING AND WE WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO DO A LOT ABOUT IT....IRAN IS TESTING THE WATERS BOTH WITH ENGLAND AND US........NORTH KOREA WILL FOLLOW IF SOMETHING DOES'NT CHANGE SOON. WE WILL BE IN A WORLD OF HURT.......HAVING SERVED IN DESERT STORM AND BEING INVOLVED WITH INTELLIGENCE AND OUTSIDE PROJECTS I WILL STAND BEHIND MY BROTHERS AT ARMS BUT, I NO LONGER SUPPORT THIS PRESIDENT....I PERSONALLY THINK THEY SHOULD IMPEACH HIM AND GET HIM OUT.......BRING OUR TROOPS HOME AND DEFEND WHAT IS OURS RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW..... JUST MY OPINION, BEEN THERE,DONE THAT,DIDN'T LIKE THE OUTCOME...... JOHN Good post John
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Post by stormdecoys on Apr 1, 2007 12:30:49 GMT -4
We all know that is true. So good old fasion warfare is what we need. Do it the right way without reporters hanging on their shoulders at every turn just waiting for them to do something wrong so they can report about it. Like soldiers are not human and make mistakes now and them, it's war for crying out loud. This "limited war or limited tactics" stuff is for the birds. There is only one way to go to war and it's not pretty. We as americans need to realize that, people will be killed, hence the name war.
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Post by johnw on Apr 1, 2007 16:51:42 GMT -4
BACK IN THE DAY AND SOME OF YOU THAT WERE IN THE MILITARY KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT WE COULD DO A LOT......WHEN THERE WERE PROBLEM'S AROUND THE WORLD AND THERE WAS A THREAT TO OUR SAFTEY AS AMERICAN'S WE HAD THE PERSONEL THAT WOULD AND COULD DO JUST AS YOU SAID.....EXTRACT AND DETAIN BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. THERE WERE SPECIAL PEOPLE, FOR SPECIAL JOBS..... WHEN I WENT INTO THE ARMY I WAS ASKED TO TAKE A TEST,PART PAPER AND PART PHYSICAL. I SCORED VERY HIGH ON BOTH PARTS......I WAS ASKED IF I WOULD LIKE TO SERVE MY COUNTRY IN A SPECIAL WAY, I SAID YES,THE NEXT 3 YEARS I TRAINED AT DIFFERENT PLACES AROUND THE COUNTRY LEARNING SPECIAL SKILLS REQUIRED FOR THIS ASSIGNMENT. I MET MANY PEOPLE THAT HAD SPECIALIZED SKILLS THAT WERE DOING SIMILAR TASKS...... WE HAD BACK POCKET SPENDING TO ALLOW FOR THIS TRAINING...WE WERE USED SYSTEMATICLY AROUND THE WORLD TO ALEVIATE PROBLEMS BEFORE THEY GOT OUT OF CONTROL.. THAT FUNDING HAS SINCE DISSAPEARED. WE WERE NO LONGER NEEDED AS NOW THEY WANT TO BE A KINDER AND GENTLER NATION...( THANKS TO BUSH SENIOR) NOW WE SEND PERSONEL IN THE FIELD THAT HAVE NO CLUE OR THE PROPER TRAINING TO HANDLE ( KILLING ANOTHER HUMAN ) ALL THE PROBLEMS THEY WILL BE FACED WITH IN THE FIELD...... I THINK AMERICANS REALIZE THAT WAR MEANS DEATH BUT, THIS WAR SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED ( SIMILAR TO VIETNAM ) THIS WAR I BLAME ON OUR PRESIDENT.....HE KNEW THERE WAS NOTHING OVER THERE,BUT, HE DID IT HIS WAY......OUR INTELLIGENCE WAS SO MUCH BETTER IN 1991 IT'S AMAZING...THE THINGS WE SAW AND INTEL WAS VERY GOOD. THE INTEL HE USED WAS A JOKE AND THERE SHOULD BE SOME HEADS ROLLING FOR WHAT THEY HAD AND PASSED ON TO JUSTIFY WHAT HAS HAPPENED... THIS IS NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART OUR FELLOW BROTHERS AND SISTERS ARE OUT THERE FIGHTING A WAR WE CAN NEVER WIN.....HAD WE FOLLOWED PROTOCOL OF THE PAST THEY WOULD HAVE LET SOME OF US USE THE TRAINING TO TAKE OUT THESE LEADERS.. COULD WE TAKE OUT KOREA'S LEADERSHIP? ?? YES, WE COULD......COULD WE TAKE OUT IRAN'S LEADERSHIP? ?? YES, WE COULD ........ THANKS TO BUSH SENIOR WHEN HE WAS IN OFFICE HE DECIDED THAT IT WAS WRONG FOR US TO TAKE OUT THE LEADERS OF OUR ENEMIES....TOTALLY BITES-------EVEN WITH ALL MY HEALTH PROBLEMS IF I WERE ASK TO ASSEMBLE A TEAM I WOULD GO BACK, IN A HEART BEAT... IT NEEDS TO END.. JOHN W. ESTES SPECIAL PROJECTS TEAM LEADER
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