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Post by gullythumper on May 21, 2007 9:58:16 GMT -4
I placed a call to the PGC Law Enforcement div. The "head Honcho" wasn't in and he will call me back on this, but the person I talked to said he couldn't find anything on the books in front of him. According to him, even though the legislature passes a law, the Game Commission still has to revue it and from what I could gather they could still refuse to enact it. I would strongly urge everybody to be careful and don't assume this is in effect until I can get some positive(or negative) results directly from the PGC. I also relayed to him that on their website the "summary of game laws" is dated 2004 and needs to be updated more frequently. Not the most organized organization I've dealt with.
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Post by gullythumper on May 21, 2007 10:08:41 GMT -4
Here's what they sent me. Paragraph "A" pretty much spells it out that is IS legal to carry now, as it states this supercedes all other reuls of the Article(which is the game and wildlife code)
The change was made by the state Legislature.
Title 34 (Game and Wildlife Code) Section 2525 Amended November 29, 2006, Act No. 162 Effective January 28, 2007
Sec. 2525. Possession of firearm for protection of self or others.
(a) General rule.-It is lawful for a law enforcement officer or any person who possesses a valid license to carry a firearm issued under 18 Pa C.S. Section 6109 (relating to licenses) to be in possession of a loaded or unloaded firearm while engaged in any activity regulated by this title. (b) Construction. (1) This section shall supersede any prohibition on the possession of firearms or ammunition contained in any other provision of this title. (2) This subsection shall not be construed to permit the hunting or harvesting of any wildlife with a firearm or ammunition not otherwise permitted by this title. (c) Definitions.-As used in this section, the following words and phrases shall have the meanings given to them in this subsection: "Firearm." As defined in 18 Pa C.S. §6102 (relating to definitions). "Law enforcement officer." As defined in 18 Pa C.S. §6102 (relating to definitions).
The Game Commission just called me and told me this was just updated this very morning. IT IS TRUE. We can now carry or CCW virtually at anytime .
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Post by dougell on May 21, 2007 15:47:49 GMT -4
There is no logic to your argument at all.If two people get in an argument during rifle season,one could just as easily shoot the other with a rifle.Are hunters that carry a sidearm more likely to go off the deep-end and kill someone?For the life of me,I can't undestand why someone thinks a conceilable sidearm would be used for poaching or used in place of a bow.I've been bowhunting for many years and have killed dozens of deer and been on hand when dozens more have been killed.Never once have I approached a wounded deer that was still alive and needed a finsihing shot with a pistol.
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Post by asinglearrow on May 21, 2007 23:10:18 GMT -4
gullythumper thanks for the post you are correct as it is law! dougell i agree with you i have never witnessed it either but that does not mean it has not or will not happen? Let's just hope that a bad apple or two goes not ruin the whole bushel? I believe in our right to keep and bare arms as well as concealed carry and i also believe the vast majority of sportsman, women and children are good honest and ethical people who truly believe in our heritage and want to preserve it! I dont think this will present any problems especially from law abiding sportsman if anything i hope it prevents it!
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Post by dougell on May 22, 2007 8:38:53 GMT -4
The bottom line is this.If I have a ccw and the state thinks my mind is sound enough to pack heat to the grocery store,I should be sound enough to carry a weapon when hunting with a bow or traveling in my truck with a spotlight.Some guys really need to think about it.If I'm spotlighting and see a big buck at 75 yards,will I suddenly get the urge to pull out my glock and start shooting?A guy that's going out to poach,already had a gun with him and a much more effective weapon than a conceiled pistol.If I'm sitting in my treestand and see a deer at 40 yards,I'm not going to put my bow down and unholster my glock to take a 40 yard shot.A bow is a much more effective and accurate weapon than a conceiled pistol.A conceiled weapon offers you additional firepower and piece of mind for situations at very close range that require a split second reaction time.They aren't effective poaching weapons.
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Post by mrlongbeard on May 24, 2007 21:18:46 GMT -4
if you are out hunting what are you protecting yourself from an over grown chipmunk. give me a break this just opens the door for the outlaws to get away with what they always do. ARE YOU AFRAID OF THE DARK OR JUST GOING IN THE WOODS.
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Post by gullythumper on May 25, 2007 7:11:23 GMT -4
apparantly you don't own any hunting property or if you do you haven't had the "pleasure " of a run-in with trespassers. Around here there have been numorous encounters with some very mean trespassers even to the extent they have put a couple landowners in the hospital. I personally have two that will not heed the signs or even direct eye contact warnings to stay out. I just last week had one arrested for no orange and trespassing on my ground. He's the type to carry it beyond a simple fine, as he's already called here and threatened me. I haven't the need for a CCW in any of the regular gun seasons, but I WILL carry it in archery and early muzzleloader. Secondly, with all the anti pressures we all need to support each other, regardless of whether an issue is agreeable to everyone or not. Your attitude hurts the effort of law abiding people who feel their right to carry is infringed. The change in this law is a plus to ALL people with CCW permits. Whether or not you wish to excersize your right under this law is your business. No-one is bad mouthing you for your choice, you shouldn't do it to your fellow shooters and hunters. Also, you spew figures like "90% of all archers would finish off their wounded deer with their CCW". Id like to see those figures printed in some factual publication. You are speaking for people you don't know and those facts are hogwash. And, an argument can be presented. Suppose you hit an unseen twig and make a fatal, but not instant, shot. a bullet is a lot cheaper than an arrow which can possibly be damaged in a finish off shot, and can be placed in a far more effective place easier, to VERY QUICKLY end the animal's otherwise long demise. Bottom line for me is that I think you're making too big an issue over this, and hurting your shooting and hunting brethern in the process. It's over, the law has passed, and the arguments are getting too repetitive. Let's move on. Oh yeah, and I have some darn big and mean chippmunks around here!!
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Post by mrlongbeard on May 25, 2007 15:38:10 GMT -4
you need to get a life i know people who would do this. and peoples mentality is if they can hide it they will use it. this isn't about law abiding people it's about people who abuse the system. what you talk about finishing a animal off is still against the law. if you hunt with a bow you kill with a bow. i come from a long line of hunters and i know there are more bad people in woods every year. and i still have the right to free speech or do you want them to change that. if you have problems with people in your area thats what law enforcement is for.
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Post by mrlongbeard on May 25, 2007 15:44:34 GMT -4
your above choice is prove that people will abuse the system. finishing it off ccw doesn't over ride game laws. if you need a sidearm why didn't you buy a permit to carry while hunting. sec2525 -2 in your own post you just broke the law. do you r homework before you start ripping on other people.
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Post by dougell on May 25, 2007 17:54:58 GMT -4
No I'm not afraid of the dark or to go in the woods.Then again,I'm not afraid to walk down the streek or go to a grocery store either.It just makes no sense that I can carry a conceiled weapon while going grocery shopping but not while bow hunting or spotlighting.The truth is,I carry enough crap in the woods with me when I go hunting so I most likely wouldn't ever pack additional heat.Regardless,if the state feels I'm sound enough to do it in public,I should be allowed to do it in the woods.
Nothing you stated points to the conclusion that additional poaching will occur or that other laws would be broken.Denying law-abiding people the right to arm and protect themselves should never be jeopardized by the few criminals that may break the law.I guess you feel guns should be outlawed because someone may use a gun to rob a bank or murder someone.I could care less about carrying a pistol during archery season but I'll never waiver on my right to keep and bear arms.That's ultimately what this is about.
Ever get stuck up in a tree by an irate sow with cubs?I have and it was no problem because I was in the tree.Had she decided to come up the tree instead of just pacing around the bottom of it woofing and poping her teeth,it would have been no problem to defend myself with my bow because I had an arrow already nocked and ready to go.If I would have been on the ground,with all my arrows in my quiver,I could have had some real problem.I run in to bears all the time and was only ever bluff charged one other time and that was in my yard.99.9% of the time,nothing will happen even if they come after you popping their teeth.However,there's no reason someone shouldn't be able to protect themselves.
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Post by mrlongbeard on May 25, 2007 19:04:27 GMT -4
i don't have a problem with carrying a ccw but if your hunting why can't you protect yourself with what your hunting with. the law states you can't use it to harvest game just because you carry so your point is useless. they also make pepper spray for bears. saw it in use it was very effective. so your thread makes no sense at all. bye the way how many times has this happened to you while bear hunting.
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Post by loggy on May 25, 2007 19:29:16 GMT -4
I think the spotting arena presents more of an outlawing potential where a scoped longer hittin hangun is in vehicle. Of course, if someone want to outlaw a deer at nite...they will do so irrespective of any laws.
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Post by mrlongbeard on May 25, 2007 19:38:56 GMT -4
just trying to make a point not against people carrying but a handgun is smaller and in a poachers eyes easy to hide. a person has the right to carry but the temptation is to easy to reach when the buck of a life time walks past and the bow won't work. carry all you want just don't make it easier on the law breakers. take gullythumper quote above it's cheaper to finish them off with the gun than the bow. this is against the very law hes stating in his thread.
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Post by Buckslayer on May 25, 2007 19:40:28 GMT -4
in my opinion i think its stupid to allow any guns while in archery season or spotting,there will be guys out there poaching for sure and making it now easier for them to do so..right now the pgc is so understaffed they never will be able to keep up with all the outlaws we have in our state,if the law passes itll just be worse..
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Post by mrlongbeard on May 25, 2007 19:50:55 GMT -4
to VERY QUICKLY end the animal's otherwise long demise. i guess this is what some people think of us archery hunters when it comes to excuses for carrying a gun while out there
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