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Post by loggy on May 25, 2007 19:53:01 GMT -4
While bowhuntin i never felt threatned by not carring. My 70 LB PSE is enuff protection for sure.
Amen on the finishin them off with a handgun in archery or flintlock season etc.. BEING Illegal. If in late flintlock ...you knock one down with a roundball & dont feel like reloadin so you finish off with a handgun,. Not good..
At first blush i thought this law wasnt a problem but the more I read & think it through...I see some potential problems for sure.
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Post by Buckslayer on May 25, 2007 19:58:08 GMT -4
i agree with dougell and mrlongbeard and have taken over 40 deer with a compound if your proficient with your weapon there should be no guns involved at all..not a good excuse at all about the long demise.most are found dead 30-50 yrds after a good vital shot..this law will just be a poachers dream come true..
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Post by dougell on May 26, 2007 15:29:09 GMT -4
I've never been attacked by a bear during bear season.if I was,I wouldn't worry about having a handgun because my rifle would be more than enough.I've been bluff-charged twice by bears.Once by a young,probably 2 year old boar in my yard.Actually,I don't know if he was bluffing me or just trying to get past me so he could get to his other 4 buddies than were on the other side of the road.in any event,he eas being hand-fed by my neighbors and had very little fear of me.The second time I was in a tree when a small sow and three cubs came by me.As soon as she hit my scent at the bottom of the tree she sent all three cubs up trees.Unfortunately for me,the one cub ran up a tree not ten feet from me and started bawling when he got about eye level with.It was a pretty tense situation for abot 10 minutes and the sow wasn't happy about my presence at all.It would have been comforting having some back up fire power when I left the woods after dark that night.Still,in most likelihood,even if I was allowed to carry at the time,I probably wouldn't have.Next time in that spot?Possibly but it should be my choice.
No one in their right mind would shoot at a deer with a .40s&w or a .45 acp that's out of their effective bow range.I can outshoot myself with a bow any day over a revolver or a semi-auto pistil.It's not even a comparison.The effectiveness of a pistol is measured in feet not yards.I take it,most of you not agreeing with thislaw have never shot a conceiled weapon much.I know very few people that can consistantly hit the vitals of a deer every time with such a weapon.Do you know anyone that can do that with a bow?
Why would anyone need a pistol to finish off a deer?When you shoot a deer with a bow or a flintlock,you give the animal time before you walk up to it or start tracking(I do that with a rifle as well and never need a finsishing shot) and it's dead when you find it.Honestly,no one will be finishing deer off with a pistol because there's no need to.You guys are making alot to do out of nothing.I hope none of you are politicians fighting for my right to keep and bear arms.
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Post by mrlongbeard on May 26, 2007 15:48:57 GMT -4
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Post by gullythumper on May 27, 2007 22:41:25 GMT -4
First of all, I'm NOT a poacher like you may think! Because of my problem of not paying attention to my notes, I left out a whole page that made my post seem like I favored finishing off an archery deer with a CCW. NOT!!! I have just finished a conversation with one of the head honcos at the PGC Law Enforcement Div. If you go through the entire law and all it's references to other sections, etc. it turns out they have tried to spell out what is and isn't a CCW. Now the law is showing me it has major flaws. he said a scoped handgun would be considered by them as NOT being an acceptable CCW. Long guns are not acceptable. Seems like they are now "judge and jury" in the field. There are too many loop holes. Would I carry my CCW while spotlighting?? YEP, if it happens to be in the vehicle when I decide to spotlight. I doubt I'd take it deliberately, say when I decide to go from home and can readily leave it at the house. I can guarantee that if I do carry it under the new law, it will be a firearm that they would have little reason to not consider it a CCW. Will some poach??YEP that will never change anywhere in the state. I truely belive it will not increase to a supposed panic point though. It will be subtle and will have very little fanfare, just like the supposal that everyone would shoot illegal bucks when the point restrictions first became law, and let them lay. That happened and continues to happen but the occurances are low and have little fanfare as not much of it ever gets reported. Bottom line is that each person will have to use his or her own judgement and do what they feel comfortable with. The part of the law that allows this carry during the previous restricted times is definitely a "win" for carry rights. We'll just have to hope the majority will use this right maturely and leaglly, and I believe they will. Problem is, you'll hear about one person violating that law but never hear about the dozens or hundreds that do. Once again, SORRY if I misled anyone, but I am not a poacher and do not appreciate being used as an example of it.
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Post by mrlongbeard on May 28, 2007 14:43:41 GMT -4
point taken lets hope they get this mess fixed before somebody gets in trouble. as with all laws, the idiots that write them don't know what their writing about. this law was probably written by some body who doesn't own a gun.
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Post by dougell on May 29, 2007 9:16:55 GMT -4
If a guy was going to use a conceiled weapon to poach,he'd have always done so.WCO's don't frisk you so there's no way they would have ever found a conceiled weapon on a hunter unless they had probable cause to search him.This law does not open the door for poaching.If a WCO has a suspician that you just fired a shot while bowhunting or spotlighting,you're getting checked,like it's always been.
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Post by mrlongbeard on May 29, 2007 13:31:56 GMT -4
38 years of hunting and I've never had a use for a gun to protect myself from anything while hunting or spotting. if it's so dangerous out there everybody would be shooting someone or something in self defense. if you feel you must carry then do so. but somebody some where will see the buck of a lifetime and not have a clear shot for an arrow and will pull the gun. is this right? just to much temptation especially for people who own there own land and butcher there own deer.
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Post by loggy on May 29, 2007 20:15:21 GMT -4
I just finished my 43rd year of hunting & never once even felt the need to carry or even thought about it. For me...I normally keep my 9 or 45 in my truck dash...as a universal insurance rider on my policy. ;D Sorta nice now not needing remove when I decide to do a lil spotting.
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Post by dougell on May 30, 2007 8:52:00 GMT -4
Longbeard,I don't understand why you don't get it.A bow is a more effective weapon for harvesting deer than a conceiled handgun.They're more accurate,have a longer effective range and are far superior in terms of terminal performance on game.No one in their right mind would pass a shot with their bow and then pull out their glock.A conceiled weapon is effective at very close range(less than 20 feet) because it can be put to use quickly and it can be shot multiple times.
For all you people that say there's no need to carry a conceiled weapon in the woods,do you support are right to do so while walking down the street?I have a ccw but never carry it on my person while walking down the street but I do usually have a gun in my truck.I'm still glad I have that right to carry it conceiled if I choose to do so. So what's the differance if I choose to carry it in the woods?i'm not any more likely to get the urge and emty my clip on a deer that walks out 50 yards away that I am to get the urge and rob a bank because I walk by one.
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Post by asinglearrow on May 31, 2007 18:58:03 GMT -4
Well said dougell i agree! Alot of good points brought up here! I think it was a good move and any step to further our gun rights is a good one! Remember it's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it!
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Post by mrlongbeard on May 31, 2007 20:31:39 GMT -4
if you will read all of my thread i said EVERYBODY SHOULD CARRY in this day and age. read all of it not just the things you want. been hunting alot longer than most. and i know people will bend the rules in their favor if they can. what don't you get about this. you've never had a deer under your stand or close enough you can count the hairs on its neck. but to much brush in the way if not you haven't been hunting long enough. CARRY ALL YOU WANT JUST DON'T BEND THE RULES.
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Post by asinglearrow on May 31, 2007 22:25:44 GMT -4
mrlongbeard, I have read all the posts and i am not in disagreement with any of them as i said there have been alot of good points brought up by all and yes i have been in the cituation you discribed many of times and with trophy class whitetails but i would have not and would not bend the rules. I would rather smile as they walk away and think to myself another day! Yes there are a some that will break the rules and we all wish that were not the case but we can only try and discourage and prevent it the best we can and go from there.
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Post by dougell on Jun 1, 2007 11:38:28 GMT -4
Longbeard,I've been bow-hunting for over 27 years and have had to pass more shots than I could even remember.The thing is,never once did I ever think,boy I wish I had my glock.The reason for this that I'm far more effective with my bow than I am a pistol.The situation you're describing is so unrealistic,there's no reason to use it to prohibit law abiding citizens the right to bear arms. and protect themselves.We can't make up laws based on wild unsupstantiated specualtion that most likely will never occur.
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Post by mrlongbeard on Jun 1, 2007 17:08:32 GMT -4
i take it you don't have the same problem we do in this area. maybe it won't happen. but i my area they will bend the rules any way they can if it means harvesting that deer. don't understand why you need two weapons in the woods. it may not happen soon but somewhere down the road you'll read about somebody who used it to harvest an animal. bye the way i've been hunting as long as you've been alive.
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